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skitrees
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:45 am Post subject:
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I have already posted a similar post under the IIS forum but I was asked to
move the post over here since it is primarily a DNS question.
Here's my situation:
I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I have the site
setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a domain with one of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site - each pointing to my internal server (same IP as the server).
What DNS entries do I need to modify in order to have folks from the public
Internet see my internal website with domain name servers located on the same
internal machine?
I have attempted to access http://iisanswers.com, but it appears it is down
or something, as I continue to receive "Page cannot be displayed" pages each
time I try visiting the site.
I don't know what is "correct" or "incorrect" about the process I have
already undertaken, so I am omitting the current configuration from my post
to avoid confusion. So, if I have left out any important information that
will be necessary for you to help me - please don't hesitate to ask.
I appreciate any time and effort you could share with me.
Thanks! |
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Herb Martin
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:30 am Post subject:
Re: Host internal website AND nameservers? |
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"skitrees" <skitrees@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DF40E24E-0CB2-4968-A5DC-B7FCF807A9F7@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | I have already posted a similar post under the IIS forum but I was asked
to
move the post over here since it is primarily a DNS question.
Here's my situation:
I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I have the site
setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a domain with one
of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site - each pointing to my internal server (same IP as the
server). |
"Internal server" ????
On the external DNS, you must point to www.YourDomain.com
(and optionally to YourDomain.com) using the public/external
address of that web server.
You would use an A (aka Host record) to provide the name
to address mapping. (And perhaps a CNAME to map from the
www name to the bare domain/zone name.)
| Quote: | What DNS entries do I need to modify in order to have folks from the
public
Internet see my internal website with domain name servers located on the
same
internal machine?
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They won't really see your INTERNAL web site, unless
you provide the PUBLIC address (which makes it a
PUBLIC/EXTERNAL web site.
[It is possible to expowse an internal web site using a
mapping from a NAT external address to an internal
address but you indicated that you have a public address
on this server so it doesn't apply here.]
| Quote: | I have attempted to access http://iisanswers.com, but it appears it is
down
or something, as I continue to receive "Page cannot be displayed" pages
each
time I try visiting the site.
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This seems a straight DNS question.
Add the A record for www (.yourdomain.com), and the
optional CNAME for just yourdomain.com.
| Quote: | I don't know what is "correct" or "incorrect" about the process I have
already undertaken, so I am omitting the current configuration from my
post
to avoid confusion. So, if I have left out any important information that
will be necessary for you to help me - please don't hesitate to ask.
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Why don't you just give us the domain/zone name and let us
inspect it (as any visitor to your website would attempt).
| Quote: | I appreciate any time and effort you could share with me.
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Herb Martin
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Todd J Heron
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:09 am Post subject:
Re: Host internal website AND nameservers? |
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skitrees>I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I have
the site setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a domain
with one of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site
All good so far.
| Quote: | each pointing to my internal server (same IP as the server).
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Need more information here.
1) Does this server have two network cards, and perhaps is running RRAS
performing NAT?
2) Does this server have only one network card, and is sitting behind an
Internet NAT device or router?
3) Is ISA Server involved in this scenario anywhere?
4) Is this server also your Domain Controller (which is a bad idea for
security reasons)?
Answer to this questions is crucial to continue to answer your question
properly.
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Todd J Heron, MCSE
Windows Server 2003/2000/NT
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skitrees
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:23 am Post subject:
Re: Host internal website AND nameservers? |
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Todd,
Sorry about the confusion:
To explain a little more exactly - the "Public Static IP" is actually
assigned to a Firewall and I am using NAT to point it to the server.
Since I am using the Firewall, I am utilizing only one network card in the
server (though two are installed).
I am not utilizing ISA - though I am running Small Business Server 2003.
Unfortunately, I AM using the same server as my Domain Controller due to
Small Business Server's requirements (I'm running Exchange).
The domain I am attempting to straighten out (as a test) is 4hplussupport.com.
If I can provide further information, please let me know.
Thank you for responding so quickly and attempting to help me out!
"Todd J Heron" wrote:
| Quote: | skitrees>I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I have
the site setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a domain
with one of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site
All good so far.
each pointing to my internal server (same IP as the server).
Need more information here.
1) Does this server have two network cards, and perhaps is running RRAS
performing NAT?
2) Does this server have only one network card, and is sitting behind an
Internet NAT device or router?
3) Is ISA Server involved in this scenario anywhere?
4) Is this server also your Domain Controller (which is a bad idea for
security reasons)?
Answer to this questions is crucial to continue to answer your question
properly.
--
Todd J Heron, MCSE
Windows Server 2003/2000/NT
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This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights
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skitrees
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:33 am Post subject:
Re: Host internal website AND nameservers? |
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Herb,
Thanks for responding so quickly.
I will attempt to clarify the situation (please also see my response to
Todd's post below for additional information).
"Internal Server"??? - I was just meaning the server I have Internal to my
network - not a third party (remote) server.
Again, I apologize for confusing the issue - I AM using a firewall and
utilizing NAT to take the traffic to and from the Internal network.
I also apologize for using terms improperly / out of context as I can
understand how much more difficult this must have made it for anyone to help
me. Thanks for providing input, and I would be very pleased if you decide to
continue helping me. I will do my best to be clearer and more precise on my
posts.
The registered name is 4hplussupport.com
I will double-check all of the DNS settings as per your relpy to my post and
ensure the entries are correct.
Any additional help / information you could provide will be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you.
"Herb Martin" wrote:
| Quote: | "skitrees" <skitrees@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DF40E24E-0CB2-4968-A5DC-B7FCF807A9F7@microsoft.com...
I have already posted a similar post under the IIS forum but I was asked
to
move the post over here since it is primarily a DNS question.
Here's my situation:
I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I have the site
setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a domain with one
of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site - each pointing to my internal server (same IP as the
server).
"Internal server" ????
On the external DNS, you must point to www.YourDomain.com
(and optionally to YourDomain.com) using the public/external
address of that web server.
You would use an A (aka Host record) to provide the name
to address mapping. (And perhaps a CNAME to map from the
www name to the bare domain/zone name.)
What DNS entries do I need to modify in order to have folks from the
public
Internet see my internal website with domain name servers located on the
same
internal machine?
They won't really see your INTERNAL web site, unless
you provide the PUBLIC address (which makes it a
PUBLIC/EXTERNAL web site.
[It is possible to expowse an internal web site using a
mapping from a NAT external address to an internal
address but you indicated that you have a public address
on this server so it doesn't apply here.]
I have attempted to access http://iisanswers.com, but it appears it is
down
or something, as I continue to receive "Page cannot be displayed" pages
each
time I try visiting the site.
This seems a straight DNS question.
Add the A record for www (.yourdomain.com), and the
optional CNAME for just yourdomain.com.
I don't know what is "correct" or "incorrect" about the process I have
already undertaken, so I am omitting the current configuration from my
post
to avoid confusion. So, if I have left out any important information that
will be necessary for you to help me - please don't hesitate to ask.
Why don't you just give us the domain/zone name and let us
inspect it (as any visitor to your website would attempt).
I appreciate any time and effort you could share with me.
--
Herb Martin
Thanks!
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Herb Martin
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:37 am Post subject:
Re: Host internal website AND nameservers? |
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"skitrees" <skitrees@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1AD9F3CB-F75D-465A-AD56-3C4AFCE74499@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | Todd,
Sorry about the confusion:
To explain a little more exactly - the "Public Static IP" is actually
assigned to a Firewall and I am using NAT to point it to the server.
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Then you provide the IP of the NAT (which directs to the internal
address which cannot be routed on the Internet).
The DNS points to the NAT, the NAT maps to the actual resource.
| Quote: | Since I am using the Firewall, I am utilizing only one network card in the
server (though two are installed).
I am not utilizing ISA - though I am running Small Business Server 2003.
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For this question it is just another (type of) NAT with
it's own particular interface so that isn't important.
| Quote: | Unfortunately, I AM using the same server as my Domain Controller due to
Small Business Server's requirements (I'm running Exchange).
The domain I am attempting to straighten out (as a test) is
4hplussupport.com. |
Just add the A records etc. to the public nameserver with
the NAT EXTERNAL address.
On the inside you can add the SAME name to your internal
DNS system with the INTERNAL address.
E.G., add www on the inside with an internal address.
On the external DNS with the external (NAT) address.
| Quote: | If I can provide further information, please let me know.
Thank you for responding so quickly and attempting to help me out!
"Todd J Heron" wrote:
skitrees>I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I
have
the site setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a
domain
with one of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site
All good so far.
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Herb Martin
"skitrees" <skitrees@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1AD9F3CB-F75D-465A-AD56-3C4AFCE74499@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | Todd,
Sorry about the confusion:
To explain a little more exactly - the "Public Static IP" is actually
assigned to a Firewall and I am using NAT to point it to the server.
Since I am using the Firewall, I am utilizing only one network card in the
server (though two are installed).
I am not utilizing ISA - though I am running Small Business Server 2003.
Unfortunately, I AM using the same server as my Domain Controller due to
Small Business Server's requirements (I'm running Exchange).
The domain I am attempting to straighten out (as a test) is
4hplussupport.com.
If I can provide further information, please let me know.
Thank you for responding so quickly and attempting to help me out!
"Todd J Heron" wrote:
skitrees>I have setup a web site via IIS on a Windows 2003 server. I
have
the site setup on a public static IP address. I have registered a
domain
with one of
the registrars out on the net. I have setup two Nameservers on the
registrars site
All good so far.
each pointing to my internal server (same IP as the server).
Need more information here.
1) Does this server have two network cards, and perhaps is running RRAS
performing NAT?
2) Does this server have only one network card, and is sitting behind an
Internet NAT device or router?
3) Is ISA Server involved in this scenario anywhere?
4) Is this server also your Domain Controller (which is a bad idea for
security reasons)?
Answer to this questions is crucial to continue to answer your question
properly.
--
Todd J Heron, MCSE
Windows Server 2003/2000/NT
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Herb Martin
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:34 am Post subject:
Re: Host internal website AND nameservers? |
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"skitrees" <skitrees@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31A441BD-FD7F-4849-BFA6-E83BE8E11D7F@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | Herb,
Thanks for responding so quickly.
I will attempt to clarify the situation (please also see my response to
Todd's post below for additional information).
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Saw and answered there earlier but below is a bit more....
| Quote: | "Internal Server"??? - I was just meaning the server I have Internal to my
network - not a third party (remote) server.
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The confusion came from this sentence:
"I have the site setup on a public static IP address. "
| Quote: | Again, I apologize for confusing the issue - I AM using a firewall and
utilizing NAT to take the traffic to and from the Internal network.
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No apology necessary, it just takes you longer to get
good responses -- and actually, I offered you the (short)
answer to that in the first response. (We see such questions
quite a bit <grin>)
| Quote: | The registered name is 4hplussupport.com
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And you don't appear to have any (much less two) DNS
servers on the Internet for these records:
ns1.4hplussupport.com internet address = 67.130.73.35
ns2.4hplussupport.com internet address = 67.130.73.35
You shouldn't be trying to host your own public DNS anyway.
Leave the PUBLIC DNS at the REGISTRAR.
I cannot get 'either' of those to answer but in truth they are
only one address.
| Quote: | I will double-check all of the DNS settings as per your relpy to my post
and
ensure the entries are correct.
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The TWO(or more) DNS Servers you supply to the
registrar must be ON THE INTERNET and able to
resolve all of your public addresses etc.
You likely don't even have two servers, and have not
yet put DNS on the external NIC of the one you do have.
Put the DNS BACK at the registrar if they offer that
service (most do) or move to one that does.
A quality registrar will give you a web page to change
your PUBLIC DNS.
You will (if you have AD or other reasons) ONLY need
to maintain your INTERNAL DNS. |
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