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Shawn P. Lemay
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:49 am Post subject:
Identifing the types of CALS installed... |
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I didn't put in this clients SBS server - but I'm now supporting it. They
are at 15 of 15 CALS in use and I'm suggesting to them to purchase 5 more
(they have 20 users and 20 workstations). What I can't tell, is if they have
PER DEVICE or PER USER CALS setup / installed. Being that it's SBS - I can't
just open the LICENSE MANAGER (like in a full version of W2K3) and see what
is setup and change it. In SBS it forces me to use the LICENSE WIZARD which
shows the other license numbers for the other two 5 CAL packs installed, but
not how the server is configured. I don't want to purchase the wrong type of
CALS for this customer - where can I ID how the server is setup? Thanks,
Shawn |
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Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:22 am Post subject:
Re: Identifing the types of CALS installed... |
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There is no way on the server to identify that... the Per Device/User
concept is a legal one and not technical. The first 5 CALs (built-in) are
whatever you want them to be (but you have to write it on a piece of paper)
and the other 2 packs you have to check the CAL paper (the type of CAL is at
the top).
--
Javier [SBS MVP]
www.msmvps.com/javier
<< SBS ROCKS!!! >>
"Shawn P. Lemay" <ShawnPLemay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6A75BA4-1C44-4492-87FB-EF4624ED128C@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | I didn't put in this clients SBS server - but I'm now supporting it. They
are at 15 of 15 CALS in use and I'm suggesting to them to purchase 5 more
(they have 20 users and 20 workstations). What I can't tell, is if they
have
PER DEVICE or PER USER CALS setup / installed. Being that it's SBS - I
can't
just open the LICENSE MANAGER (like in a full version of W2K3) and see
what
is setup and change it. In SBS it forces me to use the LICENSE WIZARD
which
shows the other license numbers for the other two 5 CAL packs installed,
but
not how the server is configured. I don't want to purchase the wrong type
of
CALS for this customer - where can I ID how the server is setup? Thanks,
Shawn
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Shawn P. Lemay
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:45 am Post subject:
Re: Identifing the types of CALS installed... |
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Well SBS actually LOCKS users out from logging in (unlike W2K3) - so are you
saying the PER DEVICE / PER USER doesn't do anything in SBS? So I could
purchase PER DEVICE and add them to PER USER - and the system will allow up
to that many connections to a resource (either computer or users)??? How do
I tell?
How can I verify that the server is correct in its count? Let’s say they
have 100 users and 10 workstations - I'd purchase DEVICE CALS. Each of the
100 users logs in as themselves on those 10 workstations and accesses
Exchange. How does SBS distinguish which method to validate? Per device
would be 10 CALS. Per user would be 100 CALS. What if the flip were true?
I'm asking this for a few reasons:
1) I didn't set the server up - so I have no clue which licensing mode it's
setup in.
2) There are two additional 5 user CALS added to this system - but there
seems to be no physical license (other then the initial 5 CALS on the sticker
of the server, and the 10 CALS in the server - that have also been backed
up). I have no reason to believe any of this is pirated - but no one seems
to know where the "original" paperwork is (so we must rely on whats in the
server)
3) I want to evaluate to make sure they're using the correct "type" of
CALS. This company has 30 users and 20 workstations, but 3-4 users access
the network from 3-4 different workstations - and of the 30 users - maybe
15-20 actually use the system... so I really want to see the LICENSE LOGS to
see what I'm being told is really it - but I can't seem to get access to that
- nor can I change the mode - but that goes back to my first comment... if
it's NOT a technical type license - then how is it tracking? What's it
tracking?
Now I'm more confused then ever. I will admit, this is my first SBS install
that I've had to support - but being an MCSE (on W2K3), I really didn't think
it would be this difficult to figure out which license to recommend they
purchase next. Agh.
Shawn
"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | There is no way on the server to identify that... the Per Device/User
concept is a legal one and not technical. The first 5 CALs (built-in) are
whatever you want them to be (but you have to write it on a piece of paper)
and the other 2 packs you have to check the CAL paper (the type of CAL is at
the top).
--
Javier [SBS MVP]
www.msmvps.com/javier
SBS ROCKS!!!
"Shawn P. Lemay" <ShawnPLemay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6A75BA4-1C44-4492-87FB-EF4624ED128C@microsoft.com...
I didn't put in this clients SBS server - but I'm now supporting it. They
are at 15 of 15 CALS in use and I'm suggesting to them to purchase 5 more
(they have 20 users and 20 workstations). What I can't tell, is if they
have
PER DEVICE or PER USER CALS setup / installed. Being that it's SBS - I
can't
just open the LICENSE MANAGER (like in a full version of W2K3) and see
what
is setup and change it. In SBS it forces me to use the LICENSE WIZARD
which
shows the other license numbers for the other two 5 CAL packs installed,
but
not how the server is configured. I don't want to purchase the wrong type
of
CALS for this customer - where can I ID how the server is setup? Thanks,
Shawn
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Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:18 am Post subject:
Re: Identifing the types of CALS installed... |
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| Quote: | Well SBS actually LOCKS users out from logging in (unlike W2K3) - so are
you
saying the PER DEVICE / PER USER doesn't do anything in SBS?
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Its not that it doesn't do anything... its just that the SBS box doesn't
know the difference. This may sound weird, but its true... I wish MS made it
more
| Quote: | So I could
purchase PER DEVICE and add them to PER USER - and the system will allow
up
to that many connections to a resource (either computer or users)???
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You won't be able to add them Per Device or Per User because there is no
place to make that selection. What you say would work, but it would be
illegal.
You need to find the CALs that are already installed (in fact, you *need*
the paper cal to demonstrate that you have valid licenses... unless you have
MOLP media in which case go to the eopen website).
| Quote: | How can I verify that the server is correct in its count?
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In one word... faith. (and yes, I know that's not the answer you are
expecting) :-)
| Quote: | Let's say they
have 100 users and 10 workstations - I'd purchase DEVICE CALS. Each of
the
100 users logs in as themselves on those 10 workstations and accesses
Exchange. How does SBS distinguish which method to validate? Per device
would be 10 CALS. Per user would be 100 CALS. What if the flip were
true?
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I know this sounds confusing, but it just works... the licensing enforcement
is much less stricker than the legal counterpart, so hence you won't be
denied access as long as you comply with the legal part of licensing.
| Quote: | I'm asking this for a few reasons:
1) I didn't set the server up - so I have no clue which licensing mode
it's
setup in.
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Just to be clear... there is no licensing mode selected in SBS. The CALs
that you buy are the factor here.
| Quote: | 2) There are two additional 5 user CALS added to this system - but there
seems to be no physical license (other then the initial 5 CALS on the
sticker
of the server, and the 10 CALS in the server - that have also been backed
up). I have no reason to believe any of this is pirated - but no one
seems
to know where the "original" paperwork is (so we must rely on whats in the
server)
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Find the original invoice and call MS fulfillment center... they should give
you new "paperwork" without much hassle. If the client brought it via Open
License the use the eopen.microsoft.com site to track them. Remember that
you need to have proof that you own the software or its as illegal as
pirated software.
| Quote: | 3) I want to evaluate to make sure they're using the correct "type" of
CALS. This company has 30 users and 20 workstations, but 3-4 users access
the network from 3-4 different workstations - and of the 30 users - maybe
15-20 actually use the system... so I really want to see the LICENSE LOGS
to
see what I'm being told is really it - but I can't seem to get access to
that
- nor can I change the mode - but that goes back to my first comment... if
it's NOT a technical type license - then how is it tracking? What's it
tracking?
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There are no "license logs" AFAIK (not even in plain vanilla windows IIRC).
Again, my suggestion is that you determine what you have (need to find the
original invoice) then determine what you need to comply with the licensing
requirements... and you will see that SBS will never complain about
licensing issues. So, the way that SBS tracks licenses (which I frankly
don't know) its not really relevant.
| Quote: | Now I'm more confused then ever. I will admit, this is my first SBS
install
that I've had to support - but being an MCSE (on W2K3), I really didn't
think
it would be this difficult to figure out which license to recommend they
purchase next. Agh.
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Welcome to the confusing world of MS licensing. I know how you feel... I
have been down that road too!
--
Javier [SBS MVP]
www.msmvps.com/javier
<< SBS ROCKS !!! >> |
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Shawn P. Lemay
Guest
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:
Re: Identifing the types of CALS installed... and CAL licens |
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Well - thanks Javier! It's all OEM, and the original seller (reseller) is /
was causing them a lot of grief (thus the reason I'm now their IT
consultant). They don't have the original media or anything anywhere that
they can find it - all they can verify (and have verified) is that the SBS
Premium 2003 sticker on the outside of the box is legit - after that, it's a
guessing game. The licenses appear legit that are loaded into it - but
again, we have no clue what was purchased. I will do as suggested. I know
they're allowed to change the type of license they have purchased once
legally (again - I know where to make this switch in W2K3 and know the EUA
that goes along with it) - so I've got to believe it's simular for SBS, just
no place to tell it.
I was really hoping to find somewhere to give me a better idea of WHICH CAL
they should be purchasing. Oh well - I guess we'll do a little digging and
guessing. On that note... to your knowledge... I read somewhere that you
don't need to purchase additional CALS for additional computers - does that
hold true for additional SBSs? Again - this may sound strange, but they have
TWO SBS 2003 Premium boxes (one is not in use at all). Since they own (again
legit) the two OEM copies - I'd like to setup the 2nd box to be the firewall
(as we all know putting Exchange, SQL and even a DC on the firewall box is a
bad idea - why Microsoft hasn't figured that out yet and allowed their
licensing to play nice with this idea is beyond me). So what I'd like to
know, is it possible to setup the 2nd SBS box just as a member of the domain
and only install the ISA option? Will 1) This work? 2) will the CALS from
the first SBS work as well with the 2nd SBS (so they don't have to purchase
dual licenses). Thanks again,
Shawn
"Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | Well SBS actually LOCKS users out from logging in (unlike W2K3) - so are
you
saying the PER DEVICE / PER USER doesn't do anything in SBS?
Its not that it doesn't do anything... its just that the SBS box doesn't
know the difference. This may sound weird, but its true... I wish MS made it
more
So I could
purchase PER DEVICE and add them to PER USER - and the system will allow
up
to that many connections to a resource (either computer or users)???
You won't be able to add them Per Device or Per User because there is no
place to make that selection. What you say would work, but it would be
illegal.
How do I tell?
You need to find the CALs that are already installed (in fact, you *need*
the paper cal to demonstrate that you have valid licenses... unless you have
MOLP media in which case go to the eopen website).
How can I verify that the server is correct in its count?
In one word... faith. (and yes, I know that's not the answer you are
expecting) :-)
Let's say they
have 100 users and 10 workstations - I'd purchase DEVICE CALS. Each of
the
100 users logs in as themselves on those 10 workstations and accesses
Exchange. How does SBS distinguish which method to validate? Per device
would be 10 CALS. Per user would be 100 CALS. What if the flip were
true?
I know this sounds confusing, but it just works... the licensing enforcement
is much less stricker than the legal counterpart, so hence you won't be
denied access as long as you comply with the legal part of licensing.
I'm asking this for a few reasons:
1) I didn't set the server up - so I have no clue which licensing mode
it's
setup in.
Just to be clear... there is no licensing mode selected in SBS. The CALs
that you buy are the factor here.
2) There are two additional 5 user CALS added to this system - but there
seems to be no physical license (other then the initial 5 CALS on the
sticker
of the server, and the 10 CALS in the server - that have also been backed
up). I have no reason to believe any of this is pirated - but no one
seems
to know where the "original" paperwork is (so we must rely on whats in the
server)
Find the original invoice and call MS fulfillment center... they should give
you new "paperwork" without much hassle. If the client brought it via Open
License the use the eopen.microsoft.com site to track them. Remember that
you need to have proof that you own the software or its as illegal as
pirated software.
3) I want to evaluate to make sure they're using the correct "type" of
CALS. This company has 30 users and 20 workstations, but 3-4 users access
the network from 3-4 different workstations - and of the 30 users - maybe
15-20 actually use the system... so I really want to see the LICENSE LOGS
to
see what I'm being told is really it - but I can't seem to get access to
that
- nor can I change the mode - but that goes back to my first comment... if
it's NOT a technical type license - then how is it tracking? What's it
tracking?
There are no "license logs" AFAIK (not even in plain vanilla windows IIRC).
Again, my suggestion is that you determine what you have (need to find the
original invoice) then determine what you need to comply with the licensing
requirements... and you will see that SBS will never complain about
licensing issues. So, the way that SBS tracks licenses (which I frankly
don't know) its not really relevant.
Now I'm more confused then ever. I will admit, this is my first SBS
install
that I've had to support - but being an MCSE (on W2K3), I really didn't
think
it would be this difficult to figure out which license to recommend they
purchase next. Agh.
Welcome to the confusing world of MS licensing. I know how you feel... I
have been down that road too!
--
Javier [SBS MVP]
www.msmvps.com/javier
SBS ROCKS !!!
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Javier Gomez [SBS MVP]
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| Posted:
Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:46 am Post subject:
Re: Identifing the types of CALS installed... and CAL licens |
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| Quote: | I was really hoping to find somewhere to give me a better idea of WHICH
CAL
they should be purchasing.
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From what you mentioned... 20 device CALs should suffice. However, there are
other ways to mix and match the CALs to distribute them more efficiently...
for example: Let's say you have 30 users, but 25 of them access the server
from 10 workstations. Then you have 5 users that have both a desktop and a
laptop. You could use 10 device CALs and 5 user CALs and you would be
covered.
| Quote: | Oh well - I guess we'll do a little digging and
guessing. On that note... to your knowledge... I read somewhere that you
don't need to purchase additional CALS for additional computers - does
that
hold true for additional SBSs?
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I think you mean that you don't have to buy CALs to additional servers in an
SBS domain... which is true (only the server itself will consume 1 CAL).
| Quote: | Again - this may sound strange, but they have
TWO SBS 2003 Premium boxes (one is not in use at all). Since they own
(again
legit) the two OEM copies - I'd like to setup the 2nd box to be the
firewall
(as we all know putting Exchange, SQL and even a DC on the firewall box is
a
bad idea - why Microsoft hasn't figured that out yet and allowed their
licensing to play nice with this idea is beyond me). So what I'd like to
know, is it possible to setup the 2nd SBS box just as a member of the
domain
and only install the ISA option? Will 1) This work? 2) will the CALS
from
the first SBS work as well with the 2nd SBS (so they don't have to
purchase
dual licenses).
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No, it won't work. SBS cannot be a member server and you can't have 2 SBS on
the same domain (legally and technicaly). Even if you had both servers in
different domains (i.e. the 2nd box just for ISA as a firewall) it would not
make much sense since it wouldn't be tied to AD (which is what I like about
ISA).
--
Javier [SBS MVP]
www.msmvps.com/javier
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