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Jan Hugo Prins
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject:
multinode printcluster |
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Hello,
I'm planning on building a 3 node W2K3 print cluster with at least 4
virtual nodes for different types of printerdrivers. This way we hope to
isolate different brands of printer drivers from one another. 2 Virtual
nodes will run HP Laser-printers. 1 Virtual node will run Canon
Printers/copiers/faxes/scanners and the last virtual node will run all
kinds of printers that are "needed but not really wanted" /
unsupported.
The 2 HP VNodes will both have 1 physical node for them selves and the
last to 2 VNodes will run together on 1 physical node, this because these
nodes will have a lot less printers connected.
A few questions that I have here are:
Is this configuration indeed possible, don't I end up with a N+1
configuration where only 2 printer nodes will start and the other 2 will
not start because I need 5 physical nodes for 4 virtual printer nodes?
Am I right in the idea that this configuration isolates the HP Drivers
from the Canon drivers and from the unsupported drivers?
The whole configuration will be build using a FC San that is currently
also used by a 2 node filecluster (W2K) and a single fileserver (W2K). In
the future I'm thinking about migratig this single server to W2K3
and adding this server to the cluster so the cluster will in the
future be a 4 node cluster with 1 Virtual Fileserver and 4 Virtual
printservers. After that I could migrate the other 2 node cluster and
include it into the same cluster to end up with a 6 node cluster.
Any comments are welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Jan Hugo Prins |
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Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject:
Re: multinode printcluster |
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With Windows Server 2003 clustering, all printer drivers are automatically
copied to each node in the cluster. So in your configuration all nodes will
have all drivers.
Print clusters don't have any hard-coded rules. You can have the 4 virtual
servers within a 1 node cluster for example (unless you really want HA :)).
Exchange and SQL cluster have rules, file and print clusters don't. So yes,
your can do what you want with the number of nodes you will have.
Your configuration does not isolate the drivers though. This is a change
from Windows 2000, where you had to load the drivers on each node
separately.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
"Jan Hugo Prins" <jhp@jhprins.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.04.12.17.18.210089@jhprins.org...
| Quote: | Hello,
I'm planning on building a 3 node W2K3 print cluster with at least 4
virtual nodes for different types of printerdrivers. This way we hope to
isolate different brands of printer drivers from one another. 2 Virtual
nodes will run HP Laser-printers. 1 Virtual node will run Canon
Printers/copiers/faxes/scanners and the last virtual node will run all
kinds of printers that are "needed but not really wanted" /
unsupported.
The 2 HP VNodes will both have 1 physical node for them selves and the
last to 2 VNodes will run together on 1 physical node, this because these
nodes will have a lot less printers connected.
A few questions that I have here are:
Is this configuration indeed possible, don't I end up with a N+1
configuration where only 2 printer nodes will start and the other 2 will
not start because I need 5 physical nodes for 4 virtual printer nodes?
Am I right in the idea that this configuration isolates the HP Drivers
from the Canon drivers and from the unsupported drivers?
The whole configuration will be build using a FC San that is currently
also used by a 2 node filecluster (W2K) and a single fileserver (W2K). In
the future I'm thinking about migratig this single server to W2K3
and adding this server to the cluster so the cluster will in the
future be a 4 node cluster with 1 Virtual Fileserver and 4 Virtual
printservers. After that I could migrate the other 2 node cluster and
include it into the same cluster to end up with a 6 node cluster.
Any comments are welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Jan Hugo Prins
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Jan Hugo Prins
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
Re: multinode printcluster |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:37:44 -0500, Rodney R. Fournier [MVP] wrote:
| Quote: | With Windows Server 2003 clustering, all printer drivers are automatically
copied to each node in the cluster. So in your configuration all nodes will
have all drivers.
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I know this but I thought that on the physical nodes the drivers ended up
in different directories in the spool directory, where every virtual node
has it's own uid as driver directory.
| Quote: | Print clusters don't have any hard-coded rules. You can have the 4
virtual servers within a 1 node cluster for example (unless you really
want HA :)). Exchange and SQL cluster have rules, file and print
clusters don't. So yes, your can do what you want with the number of
nodes you will have.
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Ok.
| Quote: | Your configuration does not isolate the drivers though. This is a change
from Windows 2000, where you had to load the drivers on each node
separately.
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The drivers are indeed installed on the virtual node in the shared drive
and then copied to <systemroot>\system32\spool\<VNODE-UID> by of the
physical node that the virtual node is running on. I thought that because
the driver is not installed in <systemroot>\system32\spool\drivers but in
the <VNODE-UID> directory that it was isolated within this virtual node.
Besides that I hoped that 2003 clustering would ensure that corrupt
drivers in VNODE-1 don't interfere with drivers in VNODE-2 on the same
physiscal node.
Any comments?
Jan Hugo |
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Alan Morris
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
Re: multinode printcluster |
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an example of a 2 node cluster with 4 spooler resources. The drivers are
stored on the node in the spooler GUID driectory name.
Directory of \\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> .
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> ..
12/13/2002 12:51a <DIR> 2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671221a65
08/19/2004 09:21a <DIR> 56849717-41a9-48d8-adbb-5d0eec4587be
01/17/2005 03:38p <DIR> 7a64f056-5d54-4fe4-91ef-c90b32c5197f
09/16/2004 11:09a <DIR> 9347bb8d-4e79-4958-830d-c058f48225c8
04/28/2003 05:34p <DIR> color
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> IA64
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> W32ALPHA
01/12/2005 10:23a <DIR> w32x86
04/01/2003 03:35a <DIR> WIN40
D:\>dir
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
Volume in drive \\prn-node1\c$ is SYSTEM
Volume Serial Number is 2810-9F5B
Directory of
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> .
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> ..
06/02/2005 04:38p <DIR> Color
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> IA64
12/12/2002 11:48p <DIR> W32ALPHA
08/05/2005 03:08p <DIR> W32X86
11/22/2004 11:18a <DIR> WIN40
11/22/2004 01:29a <DIR> x64
0 File(s) 0 bytes
--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto
"Jan Hugo Prins" <jhp@jhprins.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.04.13.27.31.594587@jhprins.org...
| Quote: | On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:37:44 -0500, Rodney R. Fournier [MVP] wrote:
With Windows Server 2003 clustering, all printer drivers are
automatically
copied to each node in the cluster. So in your configuration all nodes
will
have all drivers.
I know this but I thought that on the physical nodes the drivers ended up
in different directories in the spool directory, where every virtual node
has it's own uid as driver directory.
Print clusters don't have any hard-coded rules. You can have the 4
virtual servers within a 1 node cluster for example (unless you really
want HA :)). Exchange and SQL cluster have rules, file and print
clusters don't. So yes, your can do what you want with the number of
nodes you will have.
Ok.
Your configuration does not isolate the drivers though. This is a change
from Windows 2000, where you had to load the drivers on each node
separately.
The drivers are indeed installed on the virtual node in the shared drive
and then copied to <systemroot>\system32\spool\<VNODE-UID> by of the
physical node that the virtual node is running on. I thought that because
the driver is not installed in <systemroot>\system32\spool\drivers but in
the <VNODE-UID> directory that it was isolated within this virtual node.
Besides that I hoped that 2003 clustering would ensure that corrupt
drivers in VNODE-1 don't interfere with drivers in VNODE-2 on the same
physiscal node.
Any comments?
Jan Hugo
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Jan Hugo Prins
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:51 am Post subject:
Re: multinode printcluster |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:02:15 -0700, Alan Morris wrote:
| Quote: | an example of a 2 node cluster with 4 spooler resources. The drivers are
stored on the node in the spooler GUID driectory name.
Directory of \\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> .
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> ..
12/13/2002 12:51a <DIR> 2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671221a65
08/19/2004 09:21a <DIR> 56849717-41a9-48d8-adbb-5d0eec4587be
01/17/2005 03:38p <DIR> 7a64f056-5d54-4fe4-91ef-c90b32c5197f
09/16/2004 11:09a <DIR> 9347bb8d-4e79-4958-830d-c058f48225c8
04/28/2003 05:34p <DIR> color
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> IA64
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> W32ALPHA
01/12/2005 10:23a <DIR> w32x86
04/01/2003 03:35a <DIR> WIN40
D:\>dir
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
Volume in drive \\prn-node1\c$ is SYSTEM
Volume Serial Number is 2810-9F5B
Directory of
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> .
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> ..
06/02/2005 04:38p <DIR> Color
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> IA64
12/12/2002 11:48p <DIR> W32ALPHA
08/05/2005 03:08p <DIR> W32X86
11/22/2004 11:18a <DIR> WIN40
11/22/2004 01:29a <DIR> x64
0 File(s) 0 bytes
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This is indeed what I mean. I didn't have the exact directory structure at
hand because I don't have a running printcluster here. But can you tell
me, are the drivers of the different kind of printers in the setup that I
proposed in my first mail, or like above in this situation with 4 spooler
resources on a 2 node cluster, indeed isolated from one another, not only
physically on the disk but also in memory?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Jan Hugo Prins |
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Alan Morris
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:
Re: multinode printcluster |
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There is only one spooler process running on the node. The drivers will
load from differnet locations, but they will load within the same spooler
process.
--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto
"Jan Hugo Prins" <jhp@jhprins.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.05.06.20.18.28081@jhprins.org...
[quote]On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:02:15 -0700, Alan Morris wrote:
an example of a 2 node cluster with 4 spooler resources. The drivers
are
stored on the node in the spooler GUID driectory name.
Directory of \\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> .
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> ..
12/13/2002 12:51a <DIR
2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671221a65
08/19/2004 09:21a <DIR
56849717-41a9-48d8-adbb-5d0eec4587be
01/17/2005 03:38p <DIR
7a64f056-5d54-4fe4-91ef-c90b32c5197f
09/16/2004 11:09a <DIR
9347bb8d-4e79-4958-830d-c058f48225c8
04/28/2003 05:34p <DIR> color
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> IA64
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> W32ALPHA
01/12/2005 10:23a <DIR> w32x86
04/01/2003 03:35a <DIR> WIN40
D:\>dir
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
Volume in drive \\prn-node1\c$ is SYSTEM
Volume Serial Number is 2810-9F5B
Directory of
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> .
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> ..
06/02/2005 04:38p <DIR> Color
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> IA64
12/12/2002 11:48p <DIR> W32ALPHA
08/05/2005 03:08p <DIR> W32X86
11/22/2004 11:18a <DIR> WIN40
11/22/2004 01:29a <DIR> x64
0 File(s) 0 bytes
This is indeed what I mean. I didn't have the exact directory structure at
hand because I don't have a running printcluster here. But can you tell
me, are the drivers of the different kind of printers in the setup that I
proposed in my first mail, or like above in this situation with 4 spooler
resources on a 2 node cluster, indeed isolated from one another, not only
physically on the disk but also in memory?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Jan Hugo Prins
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Chuck Timon [MSFT]
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
Re: multinode printcluster |
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May also want to ensure you review -
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/availableprinter.mspx
--
Chuck Timon, Jr.
Microsoft Corporation
CCS Beta Engineer
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no
warranties, and confers no rights.
"Jan Hugo Prins" <jhp@jhprins.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.05.06.20.18.28081@jhprins.org...
| Quote: | On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:02:15 -0700, Alan Morris wrote:
an example of a 2 node cluster with 4 spooler resources. The drivers are
stored on the node in the spooler GUID driectory name.
Directory of \\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> .
05/20/2003 04:07p <DIR> ..
12/13/2002 12:51a <DIR
2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671221a65
08/19/2004 09:21a <DIR
56849717-41a9-48d8-adbb-5d0eec4587be
01/17/2005 03:38p <DIR
7a64f056-5d54-4fe4-91ef-c90b32c5197f
09/16/2004 11:09a <DIR
9347bb8d-4e79-4958-830d-c058f48225c8
04/28/2003 05:34p <DIR> color
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> IA64
09/05/2002 11:19a <DIR> W32ALPHA
01/12/2005 10:23a <DIR> w32x86
04/01/2003 03:35a <DIR> WIN40
D:\>dir
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
Volume in drive \\prn-node1\c$ is SYSTEM
Volume Serial Number is 2810-9F5B
Directory of
\\prn-node1\c$\windows\system32\spool\drivers\2ee0ada4-c8d4-4761-ad40-89c671
221a65\drivers
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> .
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> ..
06/02/2005 04:38p <DIR> Color
05/05/2004 11:43a <DIR> IA64
12/12/2002 11:48p <DIR> W32ALPHA
08/05/2005 03:08p <DIR> W32X86
11/22/2004 11:18a <DIR> WIN40
11/22/2004 01:29a <DIR> x64
0 File(s) 0 bytes
This is indeed what I mean. I didn't have the exact directory structure at
hand because I don't have a running printcluster here. But can you tell
me, are the drivers of the different kind of printers in the setup that I
proposed in my first mail, or like above in this situation with 4 spooler
resources on a 2 node cluster, indeed isolated from one another, not only
physically on the disk but also in memory?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Jan Hugo Prins
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