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I am a tech support in a small company. I wonder if I keep working hard what
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Steven L Umbach
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
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I don't know how you ended up posting this in a server security newsgroup
but here is my two cents. That is hard to determine for about any career
these days. Real Estate used to be considered a decent job but where I live
everyone is doing for sale "By Owner" these days. Health care is suppose to
be good but now they are talking about having your MRI or cat scan reviewed
by doctors in India over the internet. I go to the supermarket and I can
check myself out! Jobs that require hands on like mechanics, brick layers,
plumbers, dentists, and surgeons are probably safer at least until robotics
advances much further. I would suggest that you try to keep up with all the
latest trends and technology such as wireless and remote access to expand
your horizons and get a college degree if you don't have one as may good
jobs require one even if it is not in the field for the job. Be the guy that
suggests new stuff to your employer that can save money [huge plus] and
increase security and be they guy that can deploy it. Good luck! --- Steve
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James
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as we grows old, we won't be as smart as we used to be. I am afrid after 30
my career could goes down and it is to late to change job.
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Roger Abell [MVP]
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:50 am Post subject:
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Wrong newsgroup for the question . . .
I would say that if you are doing the same thing this year as last,
next year as this, then you are in the wrong career path. In IT
tech if you are not continuously doing new things, expanding the
skills, progressing with the industry, then it will not be long at all
until you are replaced or useless. On the other hand, having a
progression of abilities does not mean you will succeed, only
that you might.
I believe that there will always be work in IT tech, but that this
will continue to need higher and higher skills and abilities, as
the tools make it possible for each person to handle more
and more systems in the same time
--
Roger
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Mercury
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject:
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Its up to you to determine your own future.
There are 2 types of people:
type1: 9 to 5 attitude, expect employer to provide training, expect
promotion...
type2: those that take their career as their own responsibility and do their
best for their own good long term.
I have worked many Type 2 people and see them now in careers as surgeons,
architects, company owners, self employed in various industry esp. IT and
earning in the top 0.5% bracket. Some have failed and are accountants :)
Others are in astonishingly good positions. (high pos. in the World Bank,
CEO of a 'large' multinational).
Everyone has different capabilities, but too many do not take responsibility
for themselves and see that how they apply themselves and what they strive
for determines where they head. Review your position and progress, and where
it is leading you periodically. For example, I was appalled when I first
lived in Australia that many of my co-workers treated training courses as
paid leave, made no effort, learnt little and consequently were skipped over
very easily. Always have a new ability coming on-line, a new quailification
(if possible), and a new position to go to at all times.
So, decide what you want most, what's important to you, create short, medium
and long terms plans for yourself and modify them as you progress - as doors
open, or perhaps desires are found to be beyond reach. Above all be a type2,
work for your own future (and your families), have ethics to yourself etc.
Unfortunately, hardware techs on consumer end systems are increasingly
becoming more common. It is wise to look and ask... but it is up to you to
identify what *motivates* you and so what your next career step may be. Look
around, talk to people, and find your next challenge - and do those plans. I
have always found that my career choice is also of great enjoyment to me -
there is no need for motivation.
The most important thing to learn (academically) is to ask the right
questions (that includes listening even to those you are strongly apposed
to) and then develop the ability to find the answers yourself - IE study,
research, training etc.
Me? I have been going through a severe health issue and live 24x7 on pain
killers. In my own mind I have been successful, but not as much as I would
have wished, however now I know why I have not had the energy to put in that
extra effort which would have brought more sooner. Hopefully this will get
solved for the better soon and only some time will be lost.
So, whatever you do, ethics of Self first - stuff your employer if they are
trying to work you to death, get a better position and work for your own
future.
Best of "luck" and health - and you make your own luck in life. Aspire,
Strive, Enjoy.
Post back if you wish...
:)
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Joe Richards [MVP]
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:50 am Post subject:
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I agree with Roger.
Working hard isn't going to guarantee anything. Working smart probably will.
--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
www.joeware.net
Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
| Quote: | Wrong newsgroup for the question . . .
I would say that if you are doing the same thing this year as last,
next year as this, then you are in the wrong career path. In IT
tech if you are not continuously doing new things, expanding the
skills, progressing with the industry, then it will not be long at all
until you are replaced or useless. On the other hand, having a
progression of abilities does not mean you will succeed, only
that you might.
I believe that there will always be work in IT tech, but that this
will continue to need higher and higher skills and abilities, as
the tools make it possible for each person to handle more
and more systems in the same time
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Hairy One Kenobi
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
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"Joe Richards [MVP]" <humorexpress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I agree with Roger.
Working hard isn't going to guarantee anything. Working smart probably
will. |
Actually, there are 11 types of people.
The third is those who went entrepreneurial, got what they wanted, and
stopped. (I'm in that category - over here in the UK, it's next to
impossible to be an employed well-paid techie outside of one of the large
vendors or consultancies. I still subscribe to the various job lists, have
seen my salary drop by 20% in real terms since 2000, but still consider
myself well-employed in today's market. And I even got a small payrise this
year :o)
I /started/ to go managerial (actually a Business Analyst for a large
Texican firm) but was turned back from the Dark Side by a counter-offer from
a large New York firm.
Now back working for a Texan outfit, who are bleeding-edge in what most
techies would see as a thoroughly boring area. Certain IT areas are pretty
much common coin. An expert in a particular niche that can understand the
overall picture is still employable.
But.
As Joe says, working smart will get you relevant experience. I just hope
that I'll be able to get a similar role in many years' time, when I
eventually move on.
But. I suspect that the only answer will be to go
contracting/self-employed - assuming that the reigning UK Revenue & Excise
Junta will still permit that; if I'd stood still at 30, then - barring the
equivalent of a career meteor strike - I'd be up that creek without
implements.
Hardware moves on.
Software moves on.
A successful person also moves on. But faster.
Here endeth the lesson ;o)
--
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there! |
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James
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:08 am Post subject:
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Thank you for your advice.
I am afraid as IT guy grows older we will not able to keep up with new
technology, finally we will lose our job and there would be not way for us
to feed our family.
When surgeons getting older they get more experience. Their knowledge worth
a lot. Think about a skilled IT guy 10 years ago, very good at DOS, what the
time his wasted on knowing how to use dos? A brick layer can become an
architect, but an IT guy's further is vanish.
What is our own responsibility? Now maybe keep computers and server running.
It do not seems can keep the job for 20 years. And we could not become an IT
architect if keep working for only one company.
Plus I am heathy now. But works with computer mean less sport more likely to
get sick.
What should I work on for my further?
I am sorry. Are you in pain now? wish you get healthy soon.
--
I want know the further of tech guy
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| Quote: | Its up to you to determine your own future.
There are 2 types of people:
type1: 9 to 5 attitude, expect employer to provide training, expect
promotion...
type2: those that take their career as their own responsibility and do
their best for their own good long term.
I have worked many Type 2 people and see them now in careers as surgeons,
architects, company owners, self employed in various industry esp. IT and
earning in the top 0.5% bracket. Some have failed and are accountants :)
Others are in astonishingly good positions. (high pos. in the World Bank,
CEO of a 'large' multinational).
Everyone has different capabilities, but too many do not take
responsibility for themselves and see that how they apply themselves and
what they strive for determines where they head. Review your position and
progress, and where it is leading you periodically. For example, I was
appalled when I first lived in Australia that many of my co-workers
treated training courses as paid leave, made no effort, learnt little and
consequently were skipped over very easily. Always have a new ability
coming on-line, a new quailification (if possible), and a new position to
go to at all times.
So, decide what you want most, what's important to you, create short,
medium and long terms plans for yourself and modify them as you progress -
as doors open, or perhaps desires are found to be beyond reach. Above all
be a type2, work for your own future (and your families), have ethics to
yourself etc.
Unfortunately, hardware techs on consumer end systems are increasingly
becoming more common. It is wise to look and ask... but it is up to you to
identify what *motivates* you and so what your next career step may be.
Look around, talk to people, and find your next challenge - and do those
plans. I have always found that my career choice is also of great
enjoyment to me - there is no need for motivation.
The most important thing to learn (academically) is to ask the right
questions (that includes listening even to those you are strongly apposed
to) and then develop the ability to find the answers yourself - IE study,
research, training etc.
Me? I have been going through a severe health issue and live 24x7 on pain
killers. In my own mind I have been successful, but not as much as I would
have wished, however now I know why I have not had the energy to put in
that extra effort which would have brought more sooner. Hopefully this
will get solved for the better soon and only some time will be lost.
So, whatever you do, ethics of Self first - stuff your employer if they
are trying to work you to death, get a better position and work for your
own future.
Best of "luck" and health - and you make your own luck in life. Aspire,
Strive, Enjoy.
Post back if you wish...
:)
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James
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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If you are like me. Young work in a small company. Can not see the further
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James
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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I just come back from MS ED. Do you really think purchasing new software
could save money? I work for a school.
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| Quote: | I don't know how you ended up posting this in a server security newsgroup
but here is my two cents. That is hard to determine for about any career
these days. Real Estate used to be considered a decent job but where I live
everyone is doing for sale "By Owner" these days. Health care is suppose to
be good but now they are talking about having your MRI or cat scan reviewed
by doctors in India over the internet. I go to the supermarket and I can
check myself out! Jobs that require hands on like mechanics, brick layers,
plumbers, dentists, and surgeons are probably safer at least until robotics
advances much further. I would suggest that you try to keep up with all the
latest trends and technology such as wireless and remote access to expand
your horizons and get a college degree if you don't have one as may good
jobs require one even if it is not in the field for the job. Be the guy
that suggests new stuff to your employer that can save money [huge plus]
and increase security and be they guy that can deploy it. Good luck! ---
Steve
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James
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:19 am Post subject:
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Where should I post the question? People in this group might have the same
question.
I am afraid what I learned now would be rubbish in the further. For other
career like surgeons. The more you know the more you values.
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I want know the further of tech guy
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| Quote: | Wrong newsgroup for the question . . .
I would say that if you are doing the same thing this year as last,
next year as this, then you are in the wrong career path. In IT
tech if you are not continuously doing new things, expanding the
skills, progressing with the industry, then it will not be long at all
until you are replaced or useless. On the other hand, having a
progression of abilities does not mean you will succeed, only
that you might.
I believe that there will always be work in IT tech, but that this
will continue to need higher and higher skills and abilities, as
the tools make it possible for each person to handle more
and more systems in the same time
--
Roger
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James
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
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can you give me an example of work smart?
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"Joe Richards [MVP]" <humorexpress@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | I agree with Roger.
Working hard isn't going to guarantee anything. Working smart probably
will.
--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
www.joeware.net
Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
Wrong newsgroup for the question . . .
I would say that if you are doing the same thing this year as last,
next year as this, then you are in the wrong career path. In IT
tech if you are not continuously doing new things, expanding the
skills, progressing with the industry, then it will not be long at all
until you are replaced or useless. On the other hand, having a
progression of abilities does not mean you will succeed, only
that you might.
I believe that there will always be work in IT tech, but that this
will continue to need higher and higher skills and abilities, as
the tools make it possible for each person to handle more
and more systems in the same time
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Joe Richards [MVP]
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If you as an IT person don't grow along with the technology you will certainly
be out dated, but that is the fault of the person, not the position. When I
started out in this stuff I was working on a PDP-11 running RSTS/E. Through the
years I have jumped to new and different tech and kept myself up to date. At the
moment for my work I consult to companies mostly running Windows 2000 and
Exchange 2000 but on my own I am working with Windows Server 2003 R2 and Vista
and Longhorn server so as the companies move into those areas, I already have
that experience.
Also a brick layer can't become an architect if they simply focus on laying
bricks. Laying bricks doesn't prepare you to be an architect.
--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
www.joeware.net
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| Quote: | Thank you for your advice.
I am afraid as IT guy grows older we will not able to keep up with new
technology, finally we will lose our job and there would be not way for us
to feed our family.
When surgeons getting older they get more experience. Their knowledge worth
a lot. Think about a skilled IT guy 10 years ago, very good at DOS, what the
time his wasted on knowing how to use dos? A brick layer can become an
architect, but an IT guy's further is vanish.
What is our own responsibility? Now maybe keep computers and server running.
It do not seems can keep the job for 20 years. And we could not become an IT
architect if keep working for only one company.
Plus I am heathy now. But works with computer mean less sport more likely to
get sick.
What should I work on for my further?
I am sorry. Are you in pain now? wish you get healthy soon.
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