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gb4
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
Jack up the server name and data and role new H/W under it |
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I am doing a migration of a NT4 member file server in a nt4 domain to a 2003
server in the same domain. I want to jack up the server name and data and
role new hardware under it so the change is transparent to our users (no
fixing or recreating drive mappings, shortcuts or embedded links in excel
etc). We have ~400 local groups that need to be recreated....maybe...., let
me explain. Our resource domain is being brought into our corporate AD domain
in a month or so but I cant wait that long to move my server.
I have 2 questions.
1. what is the best way to move all my data/grps/shares/permissions from one
server to another, down the old server and let the new 2003 take its place
with the same name etc.
2. Given that we will be in AD soon, should I try to move all my local grps
to domain grps.
2a if yes, should I do this before or after moving to the new server
2b is there an easy way to do this? |
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Herb Martin
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
Re: Jack up the server name and data and role new H/W under |
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"gb4" <gb4@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2B20FE9F-190E-4DCF-AFE6-6474A253BB0B@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | I am doing a migration of a NT4 member file server in a nt4 domain to a
2003
server in the same domain. I want to jack up the server name and data and
role new hardware under it so the change is transparent to our users (no
fixing or recreating drive mappings, shortcuts or embedded links in excel
etc). We have ~400 local groups that need to be recreated....maybe....,
let
me explain. Our resource domain is being brought into our corporate AD
domain
in a month or so but I cant wait that long to move my server.
I have 2 questions.
1. what is the best way to move all my data/grps/shares/permissions from
one
server to another, down the old server and let the new 2003 take its place
with the same name etc.
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Upgrade IN PLACE to Win2003 -- then do an ASR onto the new
hardware.
If it works, nothing changes.
| Quote: | 2. Given that we will be in AD soon, should I try to move all my local
grps
to domain grps.
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Domain groups ARE either Local or Global groups, so it depends on why you
created each group.
Global Groups are for "sets of users".
Local Groups on the domain are (typically) for sets of Resources.
You cannot fully utilize Local domain groups (on member servers
and domain workstations) until you switch to native+ mode on the
domain.
| Quote: | 2a if yes, should I do this before or after moving to the new server
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Probably not. And it may not matter.
| Quote: | 2b is there an easy way to do this?
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No. Not really. (export lists and import might automate it a bit.)
--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
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gb4
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
Re: Jack up the server name and data and role new H/W under |
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Hi Herb, thanks for the reply. I dont have enough disk space on this server
to do an upgrade in place butI think I found a tool that is just what I was
looking for. Its called MSVR-Migrator by Winzero
http://www.winzero.ca/MSVR-Migrator.htm , have you ever heard of it? I do
have a nt 4 print server that I was thinking about doing an in place upgrade
on however, could you elaborate on 'do an ASR onto the new hardware"
thanks
Greg
"Herb Martin" wrote:
| Quote: | "gb4" <gb4@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2B20FE9F-190E-4DCF-AFE6-6474A253BB0B@microsoft.com...
I am doing a migration of a NT4 member file server in a nt4 domain to a
2003
server in the same domain. I want to jack up the server name and data and
role new hardware under it so the change is transparent to our users (no
fixing or recreating drive mappings, shortcuts or embedded links in excel
etc). We have ~400 local groups that need to be recreated....maybe....,
let
me explain. Our resource domain is being brought into our corporate AD
domain
in a month or so but I cant wait that long to move my server.
I have 2 questions.
1. what is the best way to move all my data/grps/shares/permissions from
one
server to another, down the old server and let the new 2003 take its place
with the same name etc.
Upgrade IN PLACE to Win2003 -- then do an ASR onto the new
hardware.
If it works, nothing changes.
2. Given that we will be in AD soon, should I try to move all my local
grps
to domain grps.
Domain groups ARE either Local or Global groups, so it depends on why you
created each group.
Global Groups are for "sets of users".
Local Groups on the domain are (typically) for sets of Resources.
You cannot fully utilize Local domain groups (on member servers
and domain workstations) until you switch to native+ mode on the
domain.
2a if yes, should I do this before or after moving to the new server
Probably not. And it may not matter.
2b is there an easy way to do this?
No. Not really. (export lists and import might automate it a bit.)
--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
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Herb Martin
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
Re: Jack up the server name and data and role new H/W under |
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"gb4" <gb4@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93000675-1E8C-4CA4-B538-48CD92D48AAC@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | Hi Herb, thanks for the reply. I dont have enough disk space on this
server
to do an upgrade in place butI think I found a tool that is just what I
was
looking for. Its called MSVR-Migrator by Winzero
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There are still ways to do an upgrade in place.
| Quote: | http://www.winzero.ca/MSVR-Migrator.htm , have you ever heard of it? I do
have a nt 4 print server that I was thinking about doing an in place
upgrade
on however, could you elaborate on 'do an ASR onto the new hardware"
thanks
Greg
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Win2003 supports ASR (automated system recovery) which
among other things is designed to recover a Win2003 Server
that is lost completely. Therefore it is directly applicable to
"moving" to new hardware.
But to use it you must first be running Win2003 (not even Win2000)
but there is a similar but more manual method in Win2000 using
system state backup/restore followed by a "repair install."
ASR automates most of those individual steps for the restore.
--
Herb Martin
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"Herb Martin" wrote:
"gb4" <gb4@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2B20FE9F-190E-4DCF-AFE6-6474A253BB0B@microsoft.com...
I am doing a migration of a NT4 member file server in a nt4 domain to a
2003
server in the same domain. I want to jack up the server name and data
and
role new hardware under it so the change is transparent to our users
(no
fixing or recreating drive mappings, shortcuts or embedded links in
excel
etc). We have ~400 local groups that need to be recreated....maybe....,
let
me explain. Our resource domain is being brought into our corporate AD
domain
in a month or so but I cant wait that long to move my server.
I have 2 questions.
1. what is the best way to move all my data/grps/shares/permissions
from
one
server to another, down the old server and let the new 2003 take its
place
with the same name etc.
Upgrade IN PLACE to Win2003 -- then do an ASR onto the new
hardware.
If it works, nothing changes.
2. Given that we will be in AD soon, should I try to move all my local
grps
to domain grps.
Domain groups ARE either Local or Global groups, so it depends on why you
created each group.
Global Groups are for "sets of users".
Local Groups on the domain are (typically) for sets of Resources.
You cannot fully utilize Local domain groups (on member servers
and domain workstations) until you switch to native+ mode on the
domain.
2a if yes, should I do this before or after moving to the new server
Probably not. And it may not matter.
2b is there an easy way to do this?
No. Not really. (export lists and import might automate it a bit.)
--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
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Jason Tan (MSFT
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Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:51 am Post subject:
RE: Jack up the server name and data and role new H/W under |
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Hello,
Thanks for posting!
I agree with Herb. If the Old NT Hardware support Windows 2003 server, you
may perform an in-place upgrade. I would like to provide you with more
information for your reference:
Migrating Windows NT Server 4.0 Domains to Windows Server 2003 Active
Directory
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/whyupgrade/nt4/nt4domt
oad.mspx
Why Upgrade from Windows NT 4.0 to Windows Server 2003
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/whyupgrade/nt4/nt4town
et.mspx
Upgrading from Windows NT Server 4.0 to Windows Server 2003
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/whyupgrade/nt4/nt4tows
03-2.mspx
Windows NT Server - Upgrade/Migrate
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/upgrdmigrate/def
ault.mspx
For more details, please refer to the following articles:
Recover with Automated System Recovery
http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/1196
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feel free to let me know.
Thanks & Regards,
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| I am doing a migration of a NT4 member file server in a nt4 domain to a
2003
| server in the same domain. I want to jack up the server name and data and
| role new hardware under it so the change is transparent to our users (no
| fixing or recreating drive mappings, shortcuts or embedded links in excel
| etc). We have ~400 local groups that need to be recreated....maybe....,
let
| me explain. Our resource domain is being brought into our corporate AD
domain
| in a month or so but I cant wait that long to move my server.
| I have 2 questions.
| 1. what is the best way to move all my data/grps/shares/permissions from
one
| server to another, down the old server and let the new 2003 take its
place
| with the same name etc.
| 2. Given that we will be in AD soon, should I try to move all my local
grps
| to domain grps.
| 2a if yes, should I do this before or after moving to the new server
| 2b is there an easy way to do this?
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