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Robert Byrne
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:26 am Post subject:
SBS2000 in mixed client environment |
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Hello everyone,
I've been running SBS2000 on several clients for several years now and been
very successful deploying a variety of features in a variety of hardware
setups. However, in most cases all the client machines have been either
Windows2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro, save for VPN clients.
I have a client wanting to upgrade their server from Server2000 (which is
not installed as a DC with AD or WINS, DHCP, DNS for that matter, the guy
before me must have installed peer-to-peer home networks for a living) and
install SBS2000 in a mixed client environment with Windows2000 Pro, Windows
XP Pro, and Windows XP Home. And so begins the repair of yet another duct
tape and bailing wire network, beginning with server hardware upgrades. As
well as server OS upgrades. I have recommended that the existing Windows
XP Home machines be upgraded, I'm under the impression that extra $70.00 or
so isn't high on the priority list.
They use a variety of applications, SQL server, shared printers and shared
files. Honestly, I'd like to hear some comments, other than DON'T DO
IT!!!(many of us often have to deal with deployment situations which were
not of our own creation, and on limited resourses), hints, and helpful
strategies to lesson the headache's this type of setup.
Thank you in advance for your advice, words of wisdom, and technical
assistance.
Robert |
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Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:33 am Post subject:
Re: SBS2000 in mixed client environment |
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First of all the XP Home machines MUST be upgraded or they cannot join the
SBS domain
Second, Why SBS 2000, can imagine where you could get new software
SBS 2003 so much better and you can still use with WIN2k clients.
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"Robert Byrne" <Robert@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello everyone,
I've been running SBS2000 on several clients for several years now and
been very successful deploying a variety of features in a variety of
hardware setups. However, in most cases all the client machines have been
either Windows2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro, save for VPN clients.
I have a client wanting to upgrade their server from Server2000 (which is
not installed as a DC with AD or WINS, DHCP, DNS for that matter, the guy
before me must have installed peer-to-peer home networks for a living) and
install SBS2000 in a mixed client environment with Windows2000 Pro,
Windows XP Pro, and Windows XP Home. And so begins the repair of yet
another duct tape and bailing wire network, beginning with server hardware
upgrades. As well as server OS upgrades. I have recommended that the
existing Windows XP Home machines be upgraded, I'm under the impression
that extra $70.00 or so isn't high on the priority list.
They use a variety of applications, SQL server, shared printers and shared
files. Honestly, I'd like to hear some comments, other than DON'T DO
IT!!!(many of us often have to deal with deployment situations which were
not of our own creation, and on limited resourses), hints, and helpful
strategies to lesson the headache's this type of setup.
Thank you in advance for your advice, words of wisdom, and technical
assistance.
Robert
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SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject:
Re: SBS2000 in mixed client environment |
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to word things slightly different than Cris:
Yep, no sweat. First upgrade the home to pro. They can continue to operate
as they are while you complete this task.
If the W2K's are suitable, you might look at upgrading them as well.
I'm fairly sure SQL Server cannot be installed on a WS OS, so it sounds like
they may have some MSDE databases, no big deal.
You're basically taking about a standard 'workgroup' (no duct-tape involved)
to 'domain', you will have the same issues as anyone else attempting this
rather simple thing.
"Robert Byrne" <Robert@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello everyone,
I've been running SBS2000 on several clients for several years now and
been very successful deploying a variety of features in a variety of
hardware setups. However, in most cases all the client machines have been
either Windows2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro, save for VPN clients.
I have a client wanting to upgrade their server from Server2000 (which is
not installed as a DC with AD or WINS, DHCP, DNS for that matter, the guy
before me must have installed peer-to-peer home networks for a living) and
install SBS2000 in a mixed client environment with Windows2000 Pro,
Windows XP Pro, and Windows XP Home. And so begins the repair of yet
another duct tape and bailing wire network, beginning with server hardware
upgrades. As well as server OS upgrades. I have recommended that the
existing Windows XP Home machines be upgraded, I'm under the impression
that extra $70.00 or so isn't high on the priority list.
They use a variety of applications, SQL server, shared printers and shared
files. Honestly, I'd like to hear some comments, other than DON'T DO
IT!!!(many of us often have to deal with deployment situations which were
not of our own creation, and on limited resourses), hints, and helpful
strategies to lesson the headache's this type of setup.
Thank you in advance for your advice, words of wisdom, and technical
assistance.
Robert
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Jim Behning
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
Re: SBS2000 in mixed client environment |
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Mixed client is Unix, Macintosh and Windows. Everyone on w2k or XP Pro
is easy. There are some cool tools built into SBS 2003 for user
profile migration. There is the XP files and settings migration wizard
in XP Pro that also has great value. Especially when a domain server
goes up in literal or figurative flames. Make sure you have good
backups before proceding.
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote:
| Quote: | to word things slightly different than Cris:
Yep, no sweat. First upgrade the home to pro. They can continue to operate
as they are while you complete this task.
If the W2K's are suitable, you might look at upgrading them as well.
I'm fairly sure SQL Server cannot be installed on a WS OS, so it sounds like
they may have some MSDE databases, no big deal.
You're basically taking about a standard 'workgroup' (no duct-tape involved)
to 'domain', you will have the same issues as anyone else attempting this
rather simple thing.
"Robert Byrne" <Robert@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hello everyone,
I've been running SBS2000 on several clients for several years now and
been very successful deploying a variety of features in a variety of
hardware setups. However, in most cases all the client machines have been
either Windows2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro, save for VPN clients.
I have a client wanting to upgrade their server from Server2000 (which is
not installed as a DC with AD or WINS, DHCP, DNS for that matter, the guy
before me must have installed peer-to-peer home networks for a living) and
install SBS2000 in a mixed client environment with Windows2000 Pro,
Windows XP Pro, and Windows XP Home. And so begins the repair of yet
another duct tape and bailing wire network, beginning with server hardware
upgrades. As well as server OS upgrades. I have recommended that the
existing Windows XP Home machines be upgraded, I'm under the impression
that extra $70.00 or so isn't high on the priority list.
They use a variety of applications, SQL server, shared printers and shared
files. Honestly, I'd like to hear some comments, other than DON'T DO
IT!!!(many of us often have to deal with deployment situations which were
not of our own creation, and on limited resourses), hints, and helpful
strategies to lesson the headache's this type of setup.
Thank you in advance for your advice, words of wisdom, and technical
assistance.
Robert
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Robert Byrne
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:55 am Post subject:
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Cris,
Just a note on SBS2000 v.s. SBS2003. Although SBS2003 provides additional
network management and web interface functionality without purchasing the
premium edition, it lacks the comprehensive functionality of SBS2000.
One of the great reasons my clients originally purchased SBS2000 was because
of this factor: Exchange2000, SQL2000, Small Business Server2000, IIS,
Instant Messaging, Shared Fax, and Shared Modem Services all in a single
license management system for a reasonable cost (from their perspective).
Now SBS2003 Standard lacks instant messaging, ISA and SQL (all major
components my clients rely on, my thought is why offer it?) My clients with
SBS2000 are satisfied and have not experienced difficulties with their
servers, nor have I deploying various components and features. However, my
clients with SBS2003 have requested many of the features in the premium
edition now that the system is up and running (but balked at the additional
cost during initial setup.)
My client was presented with an SBS2000 option and a SBS2003 premium edition
option. Without seeing significant user benefits they went with an option
that better fit their budget. Like it or not were all slaves to the
dollar...and if we had our way we'd build our servers and networks without
money as a consideration, focusing only on the needs and anticipating the
growth of our clients while providing platforms suitable for technology
expansion....What..? Huh?....oh sorry I must have been dreaming there.
Enough said.
Thanks for you input though. It's always good to get a colleagues opinion.
Robert
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net>
wrote in message news:eLiPdpH9EHA.2900@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | First of all the XP Home machines MUST be upgraded or they cannot join the
SBS domain
Second, Why SBS 2000, can imagine where you could get new software
SBS 2003 so much better and you can still use with WIN2k clients.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
---------------------------------------
Please reply only to the newsgroup and not to me directly so that everyone
can benefit from the information
"Robert Byrne" <Robert@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23ypyHEH9EHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
Hello everyone,
I've been running SBS2000 on several clients for several years now and
been very successful deploying a variety of features in a variety of
hardware setups. However, in most cases all the client machines have
been either Windows2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro, save for VPN clients.
I have a client wanting to upgrade their server from Server2000 (which is
not installed as a DC with AD or WINS, DHCP, DNS for that matter, the guy
before me must have installed peer-to-peer home networks for a living)
and install SBS2000 in a mixed client environment with Windows2000 Pro,
Windows XP Pro, and Windows XP Home. And so begins the repair of yet
another duct tape and bailing wire network, beginning with server
hardware upgrades. As well as server OS upgrades. I have recommended
that the existing Windows XP Home machines be upgraded, I'm under the
impression that extra $70.00 or so isn't high on the priority list.
They use a variety of applications, SQL server, shared printers and
shared files. Honestly, I'd like to hear some comments, other than DON'T
DO IT!!!(many of us often have to deal with deployment situations which
were not of our own creation, and on limited resourses), hints, and
helpful strategies to lesson the headache's this type of setup.
Thank you in advance for your advice, words of wisdom, and technical
assistance.
Robert
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Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
Re: SBS2000 in mixed client environment |
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Well first, I can't for the life of me imagine where you would purchase a
copy of SBS 2000 that you could even offer it as an option.
SBS 2000 is more than half way through its life cycle
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear that there will not be a SP5 for
Windows 2000
ISA 2004 with better simpler management tools will be integrated into the
SBS 2003 Setup wizards
IIS is still apart of SBS 2003
Shared Fax is still a part of SBS 2003
Shared Modem is not, simply because there was not sufficient demand for that
feature to continue porting it version to version
I'm reasonably comfortable in stating that many small businesses do not need
now nor will they probably ever need SQL Server, if they do then there is
premium.
With 2003 Remote Access is a dream!
With 2003 you get Sharepoint . I have a client with two brothers who run a
locksmith business with 9 mobile service vehicles and two office girls.
Took me 5 minutes in a tutorial with Sharepoint and they would be lost
without it now.
The reason for two versions is to offer small businesses the option of
paying for what they need. They didn't get that option with 2000 and many
small businesses were upset paying for things they weren't using.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
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Please reply only to the newsgroup and not to me directly so that everyone
can benefit from the information
"Robert Byrne" <robert@odyssy-consultants.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Cris,
Just a note on SBS2000 v.s. SBS2003. Although SBS2003 provides additional
network management and web interface functionality without purchasing the
premium edition, it lacks the comprehensive functionality of SBS2000.
One of the great reasons my clients originally purchased SBS2000 was
because of this factor: Exchange2000, SQL2000, Small Business Server2000,
IIS, Instant Messaging, Shared Fax, and Shared Modem Services all in a
single license management system for a reasonable cost (from their
perspective).
Now SBS2003 Standard lacks instant messaging, ISA and SQL (all major
components my clients rely on, my thought is why offer it?) My clients
with SBS2000 are satisfied and have not experienced difficulties with
their servers, nor have I deploying various components and features.
However, my clients with SBS2003 have requested many of the features in
the premium edition now that the system is up and running (but balked at
the additional cost during initial setup.)
My client was presented with an SBS2000 option and a SBS2003 premium
edition option. Without seeing significant user benefits they went with
an option that better fit their budget. Like it or not were all slaves to
the dollar...and if we had our way we'd build our servers and networks
without money as a consideration, focusing only on the needs and
anticipating the growth of our clients while providing platforms suitable
for technology expansion....What..? Huh?....oh sorry I must have been
dreaming there. Enough said.
Thanks for you input though. It's always good to get a colleagues
opinion.
Robert
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net
wrote in message news:eLiPdpH9EHA.2900@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
First of all the XP Home machines MUST be upgraded or they cannot join
the SBS domain
Second, Why SBS 2000, can imagine where you could get new software
SBS 2003 so much better and you can still use with WIN2k clients.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
---------------------------------------
Please reply only to the newsgroup and not to me directly so that
everyone can benefit from the information
"Robert Byrne" <Robert@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23ypyHEH9EHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
Hello everyone,
I've been running SBS2000 on several clients for several years now and
been very successful deploying a variety of features in a variety of
hardware setups. However, in most cases all the client machines have
been either Windows2000 Pro or Windows XP Pro, save for VPN clients.
I have a client wanting to upgrade their server from Server2000 (which
is not installed as a DC with AD or WINS, DHCP, DNS for that matter, the
guy before me must have installed peer-to-peer home networks for a
living) and install SBS2000 in a mixed client environment with
Windows2000 Pro, Windows XP Pro, and Windows XP Home. And so begins the
repair of yet another duct tape and bailing wire network, beginning with
server hardware upgrades. As well as server OS upgrades. I have
recommended that the existing Windows XP Home machines be upgraded, I'm
under the impression that extra $70.00 or so isn't high on the priority
list.
They use a variety of applications, SQL server, shared printers and
shared files. Honestly, I'd like to hear some comments, other than
DON'T DO IT!!!(many of us often have to deal with deployment situations
which were not of our own creation, and on limited resourses), hints,
and helpful strategies to lesson the headache's this type of setup.
Thank you in advance for your advice, words of wisdom, and technical
assistance.
Robert
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Jim Behning
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:49 am Post subject:
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I would have to look at all my servers but I bet more than half of my
accounts use SQL. Of course the whole reason they bought SBS was for
the affordable SQL to run their business.
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
<crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Well first, I can't for the life of me imagine where you would purchase a
copy of SBS 2000 that you could even offer it as an option.
SBS 2000 is more than half way through its life cycle
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear that there will not be a SP5 for
Windows 2000
ISA 2004 with better simpler management tools will be integrated into the
SBS 2003 Setup wizards
IIS is still apart of SBS 2003
Shared Fax is still a part of SBS 2003
Shared Modem is not, simply because there was not sufficient demand for that
feature to continue porting it version to version
I'm reasonably comfortable in stating that many small businesses do not need
now nor will they probably ever need SQL Server, if they do then there is
premium.
With 2003 Remote Access is a dream!
With 2003 you get Sharepoint . I have a client with two brothers who run a
locksmith business with 9 mobile service vehicles and two office girls.
Took me 5 minutes in a tutorial with Sharepoint and they would be lost
without it now.
The reason for two versions is to offer small businesses the option of
paying for what they need. They didn't get that option with 2000 and many
small businesses were upset paying for things they weren't using.
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Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject:
Re: SBS2000 in mixed client environment |
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Oh I know there are many who do...and as you said..probably because of the
fact that it was cheap getting it through SBS....and its still cheap in 03
premium and you can even use it to back end a Website in 03 which you can't
do with the 00 version
But just as you have 50% who do...I have 100% who don't...so far.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
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Please reply only to the newsgroup and not to me directly so that everyone
can benefit from the information
"Jim Behning" <jimbehningmvp@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I would have to look at all my servers but I bet more than half of my
accounts use SQL. Of course the whole reason they bought SBS was for
the affordable SQL to run their business.
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote:
Well first, I can't for the life of me imagine where you would purchase a
copy of SBS 2000 that you could even offer it as an option.
SBS 2000 is more than half way through its life cycle
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear that there will not be a SP5 for
Windows 2000
ISA 2004 with better simpler management tools will be integrated into the
SBS 2003 Setup wizards
IIS is still apart of SBS 2003
Shared Fax is still a part of SBS 2003
Shared Modem is not, simply because there was not sufficient demand for
that
feature to continue porting it version to version
I'm reasonably comfortable in stating that many small businesses do not
need
now nor will they probably ever need SQL Server, if they do then there is
premium.
With 2003 Remote Access is a dream!
With 2003 you get Sharepoint . I have a client with two brothers who run a
locksmith business with 9 mobile service vehicles and two office girls.
Took me 5 minutes in a tutorial with Sharepoint and they would be lost
without it now.
The reason for two versions is to offer small businesses the option of
paying for what they need. They didn't get that option with 2000 and
many
small businesses were upset paying for things they weren't using.
Jim B. SBS Community Member
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Robert Byrne
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Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject:
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Cris,
I agree with you when it comes to 2003's remote access and managment, much
more fluid than 2000 could ever be.
However, not to throw gasoline on the fire, each client has individual
needs. I've found that my clients simply cannot live without MSN within
their network. The nature of their business coupled with the physical
layout of their office makes it a must. I was serverly disappointed to
learn that SBS2003/Exchange had dropped this from it's built-in feature
list.
As a side note, 100% of my clients use SQL.
And for those who are wondering where you can get SBS2000 plus client add
packs (without going through Microsoft) ah.....e-Bay!
Robert
"Jim Behning" <jimbehningmvp@atl.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I would have to look at all my servers but I bet more than half of my
accounts use SQL. Of course the whole reason they bought SBS was for
the affordable SQL to run their business.
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
crisnospamhanna@computingnospampossibilities.net> wrote:
Well first, I can't for the life of me imagine where you would purchase a
copy of SBS 2000 that you could even offer it as an option.
SBS 2000 is more than half way through its life cycle
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear that there will not be a SP5 for
Windows 2000
ISA 2004 with better simpler management tools will be integrated into the
SBS 2003 Setup wizards
IIS is still apart of SBS 2003
Shared Fax is still a part of SBS 2003
Shared Modem is not, simply because there was not sufficient demand for
that
feature to continue porting it version to version
I'm reasonably comfortable in stating that many small businesses do not
need
now nor will they probably ever need SQL Server, if they do then there is
premium.
With 2003 Remote Access is a dream!
With 2003 you get Sharepoint . I have a client with two brothers who run a
locksmith business with 9 mobile service vehicles and two office girls.
Took me 5 minutes in a tutorial with Sharepoint and they would be lost
without it now.
The reason for two versions is to offer small businesses the option of
paying for what they need. They didn't get that option with 2000 and
many
small businesses were upset paying for things they weren't using.
Jim B. SBS Community Member
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