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jay
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject:
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Hi
I am new to Host Integration Sevrer and looking for any host machine
emulators so I can do initial R&D by connecting Host Integration Server 2004
with host machine emulator. Any suggestions/information in this context?
Regards
Jay |
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Terry Bullington [MSFT]
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:07 am Post subject:
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We do not have a host emulator. However, you can in, many cases, use the
HIP (host initiated processing) feature of Transaction Integrator to
emulate a host for developing WIP (Windows initiated processing) client
applications or vice-versa.
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From: "jay" <bts@bizworld.com>
Subject: Host Machine Emulator
Hi
I am new to Host Integration Sevrer and looking for any host machine
emulators so I can do initial R&D by connecting Host Integration Server 2004
with host machine emulator. Any suggestions/information in this context?
Regards
Jay |
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Neil Pike
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject:
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What sort of host connectivity/api are you looking to emulate?
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd |
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Jay
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:49 am Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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Hi
Thank you for reply. Actually we are doing R&D to develop a proof of concept
to explore Host Integration Server 2004 for some potential project in
Microsoft Technologies and HIS 2004. To start with we need to have some way
we can simulate the HIS 2004 connectivity with Host. So any ideas about any
possible connectivity using Host emulator is fine. This will help us come up
with the initial feasibility so we cen invest in actual Host setup
afterwards. Please note we don't have any experties in Host environment but
have plans to acquire the required level of understanding if needed.
I hope I have made my point clear
Thank you and Regards
Jay
"Neil Pike" <neilpike@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What sort of host connectivity/api are you looking to emulate?
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
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Neil Pike
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject:
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Jay,
You still haven't said what you want to do - a "mainframe host" can be used
for a zillion different things. Are you looking to do 3270 display sessions,
LU3 printing, APPC LU6.2 peer-to-peer comms, running CICS/IMS transactions
programmatically from Windows (via APPC LU 6.2 or TCP-IP), or communicating
with Windows based programs from CICS/IMS transactions, OLE-DB or ODBC
connection to DB2 etc.
All of these are different, all supported by HIS, and all with different ways
of "simulation".
For a basic 3270 session simulation for instance there is an SLDC demo
link-service that you can use.
| Quote: | Thank you for reply. Actually we are doing R&D to develop a proof of concept
to explore Host Integration Server 2004 for some potential project in
Microsoft Technologies and HIS 2004. To start with we need to have some way
we can simulate the HIS 2004 connectivity with Host. So any ideas about any
possible connectivity using Host emulator is fine. This will help us come up
with the initial feasibility so we cen invest in actual Host setup
afterwards. Please note we don't have any experties in Host environment but
have plans to acquire the required level of understanding if needed.
I hope I have made my point clear
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Jay
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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Neil
To start with I am interested in exploring the following areas
1. Configuring Network Access to SNA Host
2. Configuring Dependent LU and Independent LU6.2 Access
3. Configuring HIS 2004 Clients
4. Configuring and Using the Host Print Service
5. Integrating Applications using TI
6. Integrating MSMQ-MQSeries Bridge
7. Integrating Host data using OLE-DB and ODBC for DB2 or any other data
source
8. 3270 Display Sessions
Thank you and Regards
Jay
"Neil Pike" <neilpike@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jay,
You still haven't said what you want to do - a "mainframe host" can be
used
for a zillion different things. Are you looking to do 3270 display
sessions,
LU3 printing, APPC LU6.2 peer-to-peer comms, running CICS/IMS transactions
programmatically from Windows (via APPC LU 6.2 or TCP-IP), or
communicating
with Windows based programs from CICS/IMS transactions, OLE-DB or ODBC
connection to DB2 etc.
All of these are different, all supported by HIS, and all with different
ways
of "simulation".
For a basic 3270 session simulation for instance there is an SLDC demo
link-service that you can use.
Thank you for reply. Actually we are doing R&D to develop a proof of
concept
to explore Host Integration Server 2004 for some potential project in
Microsoft Technologies and HIS 2004. To start with we need to have some
way
we can simulate the HIS 2004 connectivity with Host. So any ideas about
any
possible connectivity using Host emulator is fine. This will help us
come up
with the initial feasibility so we cen invest in actual Host setup
afterwards. Please note we don't have any experties in Host environment
but
have plans to acquire the required level of understanding if needed.
I hope I have made my point clear
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
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Charles Ezzell (MSFT)
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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Jay,
You will be hard pressed to find some type of host emulator that supports
all of this. We include some basic demo scripts that run in a simulated
environment, but for a "real" test of these you would need a live host of
some sort. You can simulate a host for APPC by connecting two HIS Servers to
talk to each other, but you won't get dependent across this connection, only
independent (however, setting the mode to 1 session and unchecking parallel
session support on the LU properties pretty much makes it dependent). Client
connectivity can be done easily using the included demo link services which
has a basic simulated 3270 screen (verifies the client connected basically,
as you can not really do anything in it). Some Database stuff can be
simulated also with the included demo links, but they are very basic. See
the documentation.
For TI, there are demo samples and instructions that ship with the product.
Again, the documentation covers all this.
Back in the SNA3/4 days (can't remember which) we had a demo emulator in the
SNA Resource Kit that did some of this for 3270 sessions and even for
printing, for stress testing. You had to setup one SNA server as the "host"
and a second as the "real" SNA Server. However, it has not been updated for
HIS 2004, and I don't believe there are any plans for doing so.
Charles
"Jay" <BTS@bts.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Neil
To start with I am interested in exploring the following areas
1. Configuring Network Access to SNA Host
2. Configuring Dependent LU and Independent LU6.2 Access
3. Configuring HIS 2004 Clients
4. Configuring and Using the Host Print Service
5. Integrating Applications using TI
6. Integrating MSMQ-MQSeries Bridge
7. Integrating Host data using OLE-DB and ODBC for DB2 or any other data
source
8. 3270 Display Sessions
Thank you and Regards
Jay
"Neil Pike" <neilpike@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:VA.000062be.0065500b@compuserve.com...
Jay,
You still haven't said what you want to do - a "mainframe host" can be
used
for a zillion different things. Are you looking to do 3270 display
sessions,
LU3 printing, APPC LU6.2 peer-to-peer comms, running CICS/IMS
transactions
programmatically from Windows (via APPC LU 6.2 or TCP-IP), or
communicating
with Windows based programs from CICS/IMS transactions, OLE-DB or ODBC
connection to DB2 etc.
All of these are different, all supported by HIS, and all with different
ways
of "simulation".
For a basic 3270 session simulation for instance there is an SLDC demo
link-service that you can use.
Thank you for reply. Actually we are doing R&D to develop a proof of
concept
to explore Host Integration Server 2004 for some potential project in
Microsoft Technologies and HIS 2004. To start with we need to have some
way
we can simulate the HIS 2004 connectivity with Host. So any ideas about
any
possible connectivity using Host emulator is fine. This will help us
come up
with the initial feasibility so we cen invest in actual Host setup
afterwards. Please note we don't have any experties in Host environment
but
have plans to acquire the required level of understanding if needed.
I hope I have made my point clear
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
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lsring@hotmail.com
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Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:50 am Post subject:
RE: Host Machine Emulator |
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There is a product called Hercules that is supposed to be a mainframe
emulator. I have not gotten it to work yet so I cannot swear by it but they
have quite an active user community on their website and sounds like a number
of people have done this. I was trying to do the same thing. This is a system
370 / 390 and z/Architecture emulator. The website is www.
conmicro.cx/hercules
"jay" wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
I am new to Host Integration Sevrer and looking for any host machine
emulators so I can do initial R&D by connecting Host Integration Server 2004
with host machine emulator. Any suggestions/information in this context?
Regards
Jay
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Neil Pike
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Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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Last time I looked at Hercules it was a very basic emulator that didn't have
anything like tso or cics or ims etc. in it. It seemed to offer a very basic
pre-MVS type system (certainly nothing approaching Z/OS). Has this changed?
(I thought about using it for the same reasons, but it looked like waaaayy too
much effort to get anything more than a simple console connection going)
| Quote: | There is a product called Hercules that is supposed to be a mainframe
emulator. I have not gotten it to work yet so I cannot swear by it but they
have quite an active user community on their website and sounds like a number
of people have done this. I was trying to do the same thing. This is a system
370 / 390 and z/Architecture emulator. The website is www.
conmicro.cx/hercules
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Neil Pike
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Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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Jay,
In-line
| Quote: | To start with I am interested in exploring the following areas
1. Configuring Network Access to SNA Host
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Nothing for this other than the demo SDLC service that "just works"
| Quote: | 2. Configuring Dependent LU and Independent LU6.2 Access
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Two SNA Servers could talk to each other with APPC, but you're going to have to
do a lot of coding for all your logic - there are samples with the SDK though.
| Quote: | 3. Configuring HIS 2004 Clients
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That you can do with the demo SDLC service
| Quote: | 4. Configuring and Using the Host Print Service
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Can't think of any way to do that
| Quote: | 5. Integrating Applications using TI
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You could do this with one SNA Server doing WIP and one doing HIP.
| Quote: | 6. Integrating MSMQ-MQSeries Bridge
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You can use MQSeries on, say, NT or Linux, so no need for a mainframe.
| Quote: | 7. Integrating Host data using OLE-DB and ODBC for DB2 or any other data
source
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As per 6, just use DB/2 on another platform.
| Quote: | 8. 3270 Display Sessions
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SDLC Demo service will provide this
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd |
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Aaron Grady [MSFT]
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Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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A couple of additional comments mixed into Neil's below...
--
Aaron Grady
MCSE + Internet, MCDBA, MCSD
SNA Server/Host Integration Server 2000
Microsoft
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Use of any included samples are subject to the terms specified at
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm
"Neil Pike" <neilpike@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:VA.000062c0.04e7e8b3@compuserve.com...
| Quote: | Jay,
In-line
To start with I am interested in exploring the following areas
1. Configuring Network Access to SNA Host
Nothing for this other than the demo SDLC service that "just works"
2. Configuring Dependent LU and Independent LU6.2 Access
Two SNA Servers could talk to each other with APPC, but you're going to have to
do a lot of coding for all your logic - there are samples with the SDK though.
3. Configuring HIS 2004 Clients
That you can do with the demo SDLC service
4. Configuring and Using the Host Print Service
Can't think of any way to do that
Actually the SDLC demo link service has an LU1 and LU3 printing demo script that you can use to drive the host print service
5. Integrating Applications using TI
You could do this with one SNA Server doing WIP and one doing HIP.
The cedarbank tutorial for TI comes with a number of recording files which you can use from a Playback remote environment type. |
You can also use HIP (host initiated processing) and WIP (windows initiated processing) back to back. Neither side will know the difference. If you do this, you don't have to do it on two seperate SNA Servers, you can do it on one SNA Server by configuring two Local LUs .
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6. Integrating MSMQ-MQSeries Bridge
You can use MQSeries on, say, NT or Linux, so no need for a mainframe.
7. Integrating Host data using OLE-DB and ODBC for DB2 or any other data
source
As per 6, just use DB/2 on another platform.
Right, our providers work with the Windows version of DB2 so you could test with that. |
The demo SDLC link service does have a script for both our DB2 provider and our VSAM provider. This are a little bit trickier to use because you have to setup the right LU names. There are sample UDL files in the SDK under DataAccess which have the right connection strings and names. There is also a web based training for HIS 2004 which should be available sometime soon which will have a lab for this I believe. If this is something you try and test and get stuck, please post and we can try and help you work through it.
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8. 3270 Display Sessions
SDLC Demo service will provide this
Neil Pike. Protech Computing Ltd
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Jay
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject:
Re: Host Machine Emulator |
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Thank you everyone for your time and help. I hope this will help me for a
quick start
Regards
Jay
"jay" <bts@bizworld.com> wrote in message
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I am new to Host Integration Sevrer and looking for any host machine
emulators so I can do initial R&D by connecting Host Integration Server
2004
with host machine emulator. Any suggestions/information in this context?
Regards
Jay
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