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Bob Hollness
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Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject:
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Hi all.
All I read about DFS is the good things and how wonderful it is. Does
this mean that there are no downsides at all??? Before I implement it
I just want to make sure that I am aware of everything and any
possible disadvantages there are with it.
Can anyone help?
P.S. I am not so bothered about file replication as I will not be
replicating files. I am more interesting in the virtual root aspect of it.
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Glenn L
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:10 am Post subject:
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If you really want to understand how this component is put together and how
it works, then I recommend an excellent article that describes this
component in great detail.
DFS technical reference.
http://www.microsoft.com/Resources/Documentation/windowsserv/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_intro.asp
Incidently, MS has a growning library of technical references on various
windows components, that IHMO are better than anything I have seen thusfar
from MS.
--
Glenn L
CCNA, MCSE 2000, MCSE 2003 + Security
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
news:O4LlcRQvEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | Hi all.
All I read about DFS is the good things and how wonderful it is. Does
this mean that there are no downsides at all??? Before I implement it
I just want to make sure that I am aware of everything and any
possible disadvantages there are with it.
Can anyone help?
P.S. I am not so bothered about file replication as I will not be
replicating files. I am more interesting in the virtual root aspect of
it.
Thanks
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Bob Hollness
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:27 pm Post subject:
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Thanks Glenn. I already understand the concepts of DFS and I had to study
it for my MCSE as well. I was just trying to find out if anybody knew of
any disadvantages or things that might dissuade me from using. These sort
of things never came up in the exams!!!!
Bob
"Glenn L" <the.only@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OdyiMyVvEHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | If you really want to understand how this component is put together and
how
it works, then I recommend an excellent article that describes this
component in great detail.
DFS technical reference.
http://www.microsoft.com/Resources/Documentation/windowsserv/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_intro.asp
Incidently, MS has a growning library of technical references on various
windows components, that IHMO are better than anything I have seen thusfar
from MS.
--
Glenn L
CCNA, MCSE 2000, MCSE 2003 + Security
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
news:O4LlcRQvEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi all.
All I read about DFS is the good things and how wonderful it is. Does
this mean that there are no downsides at all??? Before I implement it
I just want to make sure that I am aware of everything and any
possible disadvantages there are with it.
Can anyone help?
P.S. I am not so bothered about file replication as I will not be
replicating files. I am more interesting in the virtual root aspect of
it.
Thanks
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject:
Re: DFS |
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If it falls over it will bring FRS down with it and imho this is a bad
implmintation because if you have no frs your domain is broken
| Quote: | Thanks Glenn. I already understand the concepts of DFS and I had to study
it for my MCSE as well. I was just trying to find out if anybody knew of
any disadvantages or things that might dissuade me from using. These sort
of things never came up in the exams!!!!
Bob
"Glenn L" <the.only@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OdyiMyVvEHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
If you really want to understand how this component is put together and
how
it works, then I recommend an excellent article that describes this
component in great detail.
DFS technical reference.
http://www.microsoft.com/Resources/Documentation/windowsserv/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_intro.asp
Incidently, MS has a growning library of technical references on various
windows components, that IHMO are better than anything I have seen thusfar
from MS.
--
Glenn L
CCNA, MCSE 2000, MCSE 2003 + Security
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
news:O4LlcRQvEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi all.
All I read about DFS is the good things and how wonderful it is. Does
this mean that there are no downsides at all??? Before I implement it
I just want to make sure that I am aware of everything and any
possible disadvantages there are with it.
Can anyone help?
P.S. I am not so bothered about file replication as I will not be
replicating files. I am more interesting in the virtual root aspect of
it.
Thanks
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Bob Hollness
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:34 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, but would this still be a problem if I had 2 domain controllers and
was not replicating files?
Bob
<user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If it falls over it will bring FRS down with it and imho this is a bad
implmintation because if you have no frs your domain is broken
Thanks Glenn. I already understand the concepts of DFS and I had to
study it for my MCSE as well. I was just trying to find out if anybody
knew of any disadvantages or things that might dissuade me from using.
These sort of things never came up in the exams!!!!
Bob
"Glenn L" <the.only@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OdyiMyVvEHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
If you really want to understand how this component is put together and
how
it works, then I recommend an excellent article that describes this
component in great detail.
DFS technical reference.
http://www.microsoft.com/Resources/Documentation/windowsserv/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_intro.asp
Incidently, MS has a growning library of technical references on various
windows components, that IHMO are better than anything I have seen
thusfar
from MS.
--
Glenn L
CCNA, MCSE 2000, MCSE 2003 + Security
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
news:O4LlcRQvEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi all.
All I read about DFS is the good things and how wonderful it is. Does
this mean that there are no downsides at all??? Before I implement it
I just want to make sure that I am aware of everything and any
possible disadvantages there are with it.
Can anyone help?
P.S. I am not so bothered about file replication as I will not be
replicating files. I am more interesting in the virtual root aspect of
it.
Thanks
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject:
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Bob Hollness wrote:
Yes because FRS replocates sysvol and you will have problems with
consistancy between servers with policies, adding users ect.
but it is also unlikely that if you are not using replocation on DFS
that it will fall over.
Are you thinking of using dfs for the FQDN mapping? or is there another
reason?
| Quote: | Thanks, but would this still be a problem if I had 2 domain controllers and
was not replicating files?
Bob
user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:e7Q9smbvEHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
If it falls over it will bring FRS down with it and imho this is a bad
implmintation because if you have no frs your domain is broken
Thanks Glenn. I already understand the concepts of DFS and I had to
study it for my MCSE as well. I was just trying to find out if anybody
knew of any disadvantages or things that might dissuade me from using.
These sort of things never came up in the exams!!!!
Bob
"Glenn L" <the.only@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OdyiMyVvEHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
If you really want to understand how this component is put together and
how
it works, then I recommend an excellent article that describes this
component in great detail.
DFS technical reference.
http://www.microsoft.com/Resources/Documentation/windowsserv/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_intro.asp
Incidently, MS has a growning library of technical references on various
windows components, that IHMO are better than anything I have seen
thusfar
from MS.
--
Glenn L
CCNA, MCSE 2000, MCSE 2003 + Security
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
news:O4LlcRQvEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Hi all.
All I read about DFS is the good things and how wonderful it is. Does
this mean that there are no downsides at all??? Before I implement it
I just want to make sure that I am aware of everything and any
possible disadvantages there are with it.
Can anyone help?
P.S. I am not so bothered about file replication as I will not be
replicating files. I am more interesting in the virtual root aspect of
it.
Thanks
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Bob Hollness
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Posted:
Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:40 pm Post subject:
Re: DFS |
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<user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:eEyIj4bvEHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | Bob Hollness wrote:
Yes because FRS replocates sysvol and you will have problems with
consistancy between servers with policies, adding users ect.
but it is also unlikely that if you are not using replocation on DFS that
it will fall over.
Are you thinking of using dfs for the FQDN mapping? or is there another
reason?
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I just wanted to use it to create a virtual root and hang all the shares
off of it rather than have loads of different server names etc. I had not
planned on using it to replicate any files though. It was more just to make
life a little easier for remembering where all the shares are!
How would it affect adding users then? because AD is already replicated via
the domain controllers. I thought DFS was just for file systems??? |
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Jill Zoeller [MSFT]
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject:
Re: DFS |
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The DFS you set up for file systems is a completely separate technology from
FRS. And you are right--you don't have to use FRS to use DFS.
SYSVOL referrals are a special type of DFS referral, and SYSVOL is
replicated by FRS, but this shouldn't be any concern for your
implementation. (Details about this are described in the techref at
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_how.asp.)
DFS works best when all its dependencies are in good working order. (The
front of the techref above describes these dependencies.) Anything
misconfigured here and DFS might behave unexpectedly. Having your sites set
up correctly also helps DFS order the referrals properly--the section
"Situations in Which Clients Access Unexpected Targets" in the techref
describes misconfigurations that can cause clients to go to unexpected
targets.
You'll also want to follow our recommendations for namespace sizing. These
recommendations are described in the "Designing and Deploying File Servers"
chapter listed at www.microsoft.com/dfs. You'll get the most DFS features if
all your DCs and root servers are running W2K3. You lose the ability to
consistently sort targets in referrals by lowest cost if any of your DCs or
root servers aren't running W2K3. There are also some interoperability
issues when you have root servers running a mix of W2K3 and W2K--these
issues are described in the techref and the file server chapter.
OK, and one more plug for the techref--much of the information in this file
has never been published before, so you might discover something new. :-)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:eEyIj4bvEHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Bob Hollness wrote:
Yes because FRS replocates sysvol and you will have problems with
consistancy between servers with policies, adding users ect.
but it is also unlikely that if you are not using replocation on DFS that
it will fall over.
Are you thinking of using dfs for the FQDN mapping? or is there another
reason?
I just wanted to use it to create a virtual root and hang all the shares
off of it rather than have loads of different server names etc. I had not
planned on using it to replicate any files though. It was more just to
make life a little easier for remembering where all the shares are!
How would it affect adding users then? because AD is already replicated
via the domain controllers. I thought DFS was just for file systems???
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Bob Hollness
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Posted:
Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, I'll start digesting this document!
Is there anybody reading this group that has any real-world bad experiences
with DFS (not for FRS though)???
Bob
"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:exAujFdvEHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | The DFS you set up for file systems is a completely separate technology
from FRS. And you are right--you don't have to use FRS to use DFS.
SYSVOL referrals are a special type of DFS referral, and SYSVOL is
replicated by FRS, but this shouldn't be any concern for your
implementation. (Details about this are described in the techref at
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/w2k3tr_dfs_how.asp.)
DFS works best when all its dependencies are in good working order. (The
front of the techref above describes these dependencies.) Anything
misconfigured here and DFS might behave unexpectedly. Having your sites
set up correctly also helps DFS order the referrals properly--the section
"Situations in Which Clients Access Unexpected Targets" in the techref
describes misconfigurations that can cause clients to go to unexpected
targets.
You'll also want to follow our recommendations for namespace sizing. These
recommendations are described in the "Designing and Deploying File
Servers" chapter listed at www.microsoft.com/dfs. You'll get the most DFS
features if all your DCs and root servers are running W2K3. You lose the
ability to consistently sort targets in referrals by lowest cost if any of
your DCs or root servers aren't running W2K3. There are also some
interoperability issues when you have root servers running a mix of W2K3
and W2K--these issues are described in the techref and the file server
chapter.
OK, and one more plug for the techref--much of the information in this
file has never been published before, so you might discover something new.
:-)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
"Bob Hollness" <bob@blockbuster.com> wrote in message
news:ePYRX2cvEHA.2564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:eEyIj4bvEHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Bob Hollness wrote:
Yes because FRS replocates sysvol and you will have problems with
consistancy between servers with policies, adding users ect.
but it is also unlikely that if you are not using replocation on DFS
that it will fall over.
Are you thinking of using dfs for the FQDN mapping? or is there another
reason?
I just wanted to use it to create a virtual root and hang all the shares
off of it rather than have loads of different server names etc. I had
not planned on using it to replicate any files though. It was more just
to make life a little easier for remembering where all the shares are!
How would it affect adding users then? because AD is already replicated
via the domain controllers. I thought DFS was just for file systems???
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