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deep
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we use wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps
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Engelbert
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
Major limitation (last question): if you install WSS on web edition you must
have the WSS database stored in a second server. So you need typically to
run SQL Server 2K on a second server running Win 2K or Win 2003 (Server
versions).

So it's not usually cheaper - unless you already have another server running
SQL Server 2K. Cheapest is normally to use Win 2003 Server edition and do
the default install with the free WMSDE. (Main snag - no sort)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we use wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps
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deep
Guest
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
Hey Engelbert and Steve

To summarize
If i say start with ifvolume of users and document sharing is not that high
i can propose following model

1) ONe DC + SQL server + one front wend web server ( wink2k3 web edition)

so we will be able to run search fine

also still i cannot calculate the db size ( since sql server will be used
will be shared one)

I am still not confirmed on if db size is a lmit or not in MSDE



"Engelbert" wrote:

Quote:
WMSDE which is what the default installation of WSS uses is a special
version of MSDE 2.0 for WSS and Windows components (so MS use it elsewhere)
only. It doesn't have limits on DB size unlike the normal MSDE 2.0.

(I too like Steve P confirm use of WMSDE means no full-text-search)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D8B85A9B-0A91-458D-9B5B-11E24158301B@microsoft.com...
Hi

thanks a ton

secondly , can any one guide me if i ca somehow calcluate the esitamted
db
size as MSDE also has limits on Db size.

also i think if we choose MSDE then full text search wont be available?

thanks
deeps



"Engelbert" wrote:

Major limitation (last question): if you install WSS on web edition you
must
have the WSS database stored in a second server. So you need typically to
run SQL Server 2K on a second server running Win 2K or Win 2003 (Server
versions).

So it's not usually cheaper - unless you already have another server
running
SQL Server 2K. Cheapest is normally to use Win 2003 Server edition and do
the default install with the free WMSDE. (Main snag - no sort)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5DA70E97-8AC4-48B3-B516-E7EA538F3844@microsoft.com...
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we use
wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps






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deep
Guest
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
Hi

thanks a ton

secondly , can any one guide me if i ca somehow calcluate the esitamted db
size as MSDE also has limits on Db size.

also i think if we choose MSDE then full text search wont be available?

thanks
deeps



"Engelbert" wrote:

Quote:
Major limitation (last question): if you install WSS on web edition you must
have the WSS database stored in a second server. So you need typically to
run SQL Server 2K on a second server running Win 2K or Win 2003 (Server
versions).

So it's not usually cheaper - unless you already have another server running
SQL Server 2K. Cheapest is normally to use Win 2003 Server edition and do
the default install with the free WMSDE. (Main snag - no sort)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5DA70E97-8AC4-48B3-B516-E7EA538F3844@microsoft.com...
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we use wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps



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Steve P
Guest
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
Correct -- full text search not available on WMSDE.

In my opinion, the main benefit of web edition is if you want to (or
anticipate wanting to) have multiple load balanced web servers and one or
more back-end SQL servers. This is how we use it and it works well so far.
Of course, this implies using domain accounts rather than local machine
accounts.


"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D8B85A9B-0A91-458D-9B5B-11E24158301B@microsoft.com...
Quote:
Hi

thanks a ton

secondly , can any one guide me if i ca somehow calcluate the esitamted
db
size as MSDE also has limits on Db size.

also i think if we choose MSDE then full text search wont be available?

thanks
deeps



"Engelbert" wrote:

Major limitation (last question): if you install WSS on web edition you
must
have the WSS database stored in a second server. So you need typically to
run SQL Server 2K on a second server running Win 2K or Win 2003 (Server
versions).

So it's not usually cheaper - unless you already have another server
running
SQL Server 2K. Cheapest is normally to use Win 2003 Server edition and do
the default install with the free WMSDE. (Main snag - no sort)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5DA70E97-8AC4-48B3-B516-E7EA538F3844@microsoft.com...
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we use
wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps



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Engelbert
Guest
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
WMSDE which is what the default installation of WSS uses is a special
version of MSDE 2.0 for WSS and Windows components (so MS use it elsewhere)
only. It doesn't have limits on DB size unlike the normal MSDE 2.0.

(I too like Steve P confirm use of WMSDE means no full-text-search)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D8B85A9B-0A91-458D-9B5B-11E24158301B@microsoft.com...
Quote:
Hi

thanks a ton

secondly , can any one guide me if i ca somehow calcluate the esitamted
db
size as MSDE also has limits on Db size.

also i think if we choose MSDE then full text search wont be available?

thanks
deeps



"Engelbert" wrote:

Major limitation (last question): if you install WSS on web edition you
must
have the WSS database stored in a second server. So you need typically to
run SQL Server 2K on a second server running Win 2K or Win 2003 (Server
versions).

So it's not usually cheaper - unless you already have another server
running
SQL Server 2K. Cheapest is normally to use Win 2003 Server edition and do
the default install with the free WMSDE. (Main snag - no sort)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5DA70E97-8AC4-48B3-B516-E7EA538F3844@microsoft.com...
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we use
wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps



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Engelbert
Guest
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: wss onwindows 2003 webedition Reply with quote
DB size:

lists: usually negligible
document libraries: ca 1.8 times the size of the documents (times the number
of versions !)

DB size limits:

I already said that WMSDE used in a default WSS installation does not have
db size limitations. To be exact it has the same limitations as SQL Server
2K (i.e. big).

There is no reason for you to use standard MSDE 2.0 which does have
limitations in dbsize

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6125E430-29E8-4D97-B0D4-C19F06F6B77C@microsoft.com...
Quote:
Hey Engelbert and Steve

To summarize
If i say start with ifvolume of users and document sharing is not that
high
i can propose following model

1) ONe DC + SQL server + one front wend web server ( wink2k3 web edition)

so we will be able to run search fine

also still i cannot calculate the db size ( since sql server will be used
will be shared one)

I am still not confirmed on if db size is a lmit or not in MSDE



"Engelbert" wrote:

WMSDE which is what the default installation of WSS uses is a special
version of MSDE 2.0 for WSS and Windows components (so MS use it
elsewhere)
only. It doesn't have limits on DB size unlike the normal MSDE 2.0.

(I too like Steve P confirm use of WMSDE means no full-text-search)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D8B85A9B-0A91-458D-9B5B-11E24158301B@microsoft.com...
Hi

thanks a ton

secondly , can any one guide me if i ca somehow calcluate the
esitamted
db
size as MSDE also has limits on Db size.

also i think if we choose MSDE then full text search wont be available?

thanks
deeps



"Engelbert" wrote:

Major limitation (last question): if you install WSS on web edition
you
must
have the WSS database stored in a second server. So you need typically
to
run SQL Server 2K on a second server running Win 2K or Win 2003
(Server
versions).

So it's not usually cheaper - unless you already have another server
running
SQL Server 2K. Cheapest is normally to use Win 2003 Server edition and
do
the default install with the free WMSDE. (Main snag - no sort)

Engelbert

"deep" <deep@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5DA70E97-8AC4-48B3-B516-E7EA538F3844@microsoft.com...
Hi All

seeking major pros n cons of choosing windows 2003 web edition as
web
server for wss

Please help , there is no article which consolidates installation
configuration issues and limitations.

major concerns here are
1) is it necessary to join it in doamin while installing
2) or it can take local accts in domain acct creation mode
3) i understand the Db can be only on mssql and msde is not
supported.
4) how can i calculate the estimated db size growth

5) also is there is any limitaion /major feature limitaion if we
use
wss
onweb edition?


please guide

cheers
Deeps






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