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Slim
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:51 am    Post subject: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
I have installed MOM 2005, and have installed various management packs
(Exchange, Base OS, etc) and have installed agents on about 10 machines.
Under the Computer Groups, I do not see any of the computers listed in
Included Computers tab of any of the groups. Do I need to manually add the
machines to the proper Computer Groups? Or is this done automatically?

Also, under Rule Groups, I noticed that mostly only the lowest level Rule
Group has associated Computer Groups, but not the parent rule groups. For
instance, "Microsoft Exchange Server" rule group has no computer groups, and
"Exchange 2003" rule group also has no computer groups, but about 3 levels
down, they have computer groups added. So does this mean if I were to create
a Event Rule under "Microsoft Exchange Server" group, but above "Exchange
2003" group, that I need to manually add a computer group or computers that I
want this rule to apply to? Or is it that all the rule groups and computer
groups created by management packs are all automatically linked/subgrouped
etc so that I won't have to worry about this?

Thanks!
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Daniel Lai [MVP-Managemen
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Hello,

Thank you for your posting!

For Agent Managed Computers, It will auto add into the Computer Group.
For Agentless Managed Computers, You need to add the computer manually.
Please try to run the distribute discovery now on the Management Server.

You need to add the Computer Group to the Rule Group which included Rules.

If you have any questions, please feel to let me know. I am glad to be of
assistance.


--
Daniel Lai
Microsoft MVP Program Top Contributor
Windows Server-Management Infrastructure
Microsoft Management Solution Consultant


"Slim" <Slim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I have installed MOM 2005, and have installed various management packs
(Exchange, Base OS, etc) and have installed agents on about 10 machines.
Under the Computer Groups, I do not see any of the computers listed in
Included Computers tab of any of the groups. Do I need to manually add
the
machines to the proper Computer Groups? Or is this done automatically?

Also, under Rule Groups, I noticed that mostly only the lowest level Rule
Group has associated Computer Groups, but not the parent rule groups. For
instance, "Microsoft Exchange Server" rule group has no computer groups,
and
"Exchange 2003" rule group also has no computer groups, but about 3 levels
down, they have computer groups added. So does this mean if I were to
create
a Event Rule under "Microsoft Exchange Server" group, but above "Exchange
2003" group, that I need to manually add a computer group or computers
that I
want this rule to apply to? Or is it that all the rule groups and
computer
groups created by management packs are all automatically linked/subgrouped
etc so that I won't have to worry about this?

Thanks!
Back to top
Daniel Lai [MVP-Managemen
Guest
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Hello,

Thank you for your posting!

Sorry, It is Attribute Discovery

If you have any questions, please feel to let me know. I am glad to be of
assistance.


--
Daniel Lai
Microsoft MVP Program Top Contributor
Windows Server-Management Infrastructure
Microsoft Management Solution Consultant
http://msmvps.com/daniel

"Daniel Lai [MVP-Management Infrastructure]" <laigarry@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:u12wVGG2FHA.1332@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Quote:

Hello,

Thank you for your posting!

For Agent Managed Computers, It will auto add into the Computer Group.
For Agentless Managed Computers, You need to add the computer manually.
Please try to run the distribute discovery now on the Management Server.

You need to add the Computer Group to the Rule Group which included Rules.

If you have any questions, please feel to let me know. I am glad to be of
assistance.


--
Daniel Lai
Microsoft MVP Program Top Contributor
Windows Server-Management Infrastructure
Microsoft Management Solution Consultant


"Slim" <Slim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AD1BB4EF-9B3F-494E-8354-595207855079@microsoft.com...
I have installed MOM 2005, and have installed various management packs
(Exchange, Base OS, etc) and have installed agents on about 10 machines.
Under the Computer Groups, I do not see any of the computers listed in
Included Computers tab of any of the groups. Do I need to manually add
the
machines to the proper Computer Groups? Or is this done automatically?

Also, under Rule Groups, I noticed that mostly only the lowest level Rule
Group has associated Computer Groups, but not the parent rule groups.
For
instance, "Microsoft Exchange Server" rule group has no computer groups,
and
"Exchange 2003" rule group also has no computer groups, but about 3
levels
down, they have computer groups added. So does this mean if I were to
create
a Event Rule under "Microsoft Exchange Server" group, but above "Exchange
2003" group, that I need to manually add a computer group or computers
that I
want this rule to apply to? Or is it that all the rule groups and
computer
groups created by management packs are all automatically
linked/subgrouped
etc so that I won't have to worry about this?

Thanks!

Back to top
davidtyra@hotmail.com
Guest
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Slim,

If you are looking in the Administrator console, you will not see
computer group members there. The Included Computers tab on computer
group properties is where you can specifically list computers to be
included in the computer group regardless of other criteria such as
formula. To see members of a computer group, you would look in the
Operator console. Make sure the group you are interested in is listed
in the Group listbox and then choose the Computers and Groups tab in
the left-hand pane. Choose Computers in the left-hand pane and the
members of that computer group will be listed in the center pane.

As Daniel states, you must assign computer groups to each level of the
rule group hierarchy where there are rules that should be run by that
computer group. There is no inheritance which is why computer groups
are generally assigned to rule groups deeper in the hierarchy.

Regards,

David Tyra
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Arie de Haan
Guest
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Quote:
computer group. There is no inheritance which is why computer groups
are generally assigned to rule groups deeper in the hierarchy.
I'm sorry to say, but there is inherintance.


if you create a rule group called "test" and associate this with a
computergroup and then create a sub groutp called "subtest" you will see
both in the tab "rules" for a managed computer whihc belongs to the
computer group.

so it is NOT a best practice to associate a computergroup to every rule
group that is out there.

In fact if you associate the exchange server group to the high loevel
rule group you get alll kind of configuration/rules errors.

The idea is as follows. You create a rule group which you name after the
product. Then you create a version specific rule group, as in exchange
2000 and exchange 2003, this will accomadate future versions. In this
version specific rule groups you can divide further based on
functionality. As there are front and back-end servers in exchange the
computer groups are bound further down the hierarchy instead of on
Exchange 2003 rule group.


--
Greetz,

Arie
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etc.
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Slim
Guest
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Great! Thank you very much!

"Arie de Haan" wrote:

Quote:
Ok Thank you everyone for clearing everything up. Just to see if I
understand everything, if I have Rule Group structure as:

Test Rule Group
|
|_Test Sub Group 1
|_Test Sub Group 2
|_Test Sub2-SubGroup 1

If I place a computer in the Test Rule Group the top level group, it wil
only include rules specified in the "Test Rule Group",
No also the ones below. So if you have a computer group bound to
TestRuleGroup then also the rules in TestSubGroup1,
TestSubGroup2,TestSub2-Subgroup1 will be deployed to the agent belonging
to that computergroup. This is used for instance in the Microsoft
windows Servers Base Operating System management pack. The Windows 2003
Rule group has the computer group bound and the agent will run all the
rules below it

but not specified in
the sub groups? Likewise, if I associate a computer to only the "Test
Sub2-SubGroup 1", it will not have any rules specified at the above levels
since there is no inheritance?
Yes, it only works downwards, not upwards.


--
Greetz,

Arie
This posting is provide "AS IS" with no guarantees, warranties, rigths
etc.

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Slim
Guest
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Ok Thank you everyone for clearing everything up. Just to see if I
understand everything, if I have Rule Group structure as:

Test Rule Group
|
|_Test Sub Group 1
|_Test Sub Group 2
|_Test Sub2-SubGroup 1

If I place a computer in the Test Rule Group the top level group, it wil
only include rules specified in the "Test Rule Group", but not specified in
the sub groups? Likewise, if I associate a computer to only the "Test
Sub2-SubGroup 1", it will not have any rules specified at the above levels
since there is no inheritance?

Thank you!



"Arie de Haan" wrote:

Quote:

computer group. There is no inheritance which is why computer groups
are generally assigned to rule groups deeper in the hierarchy.
I'm sorry to say, but there is inherintance.

if you create a rule group called "test" and associate this with a
computergroup and then create a sub groutp called "subtest" you will see
both in the tab "rules" for a managed computer whihc belongs to the
computer group.

so it is NOT a best practice to associate a computergroup to every rule
group that is out there.

In fact if you associate the exchange server group to the high loevel
rule group you get alll kind of configuration/rules errors.

The idea is as follows. You create a rule group which you name after the
product. Then you create a version specific rule group, as in exchange
2000 and exchange 2003, this will accomadate future versions. In this
version specific rule groups you can divide further based on
functionality. As there are front and back-end servers in exchange the
computer groups are bound further down the hierarchy instead of on
Exchange 2003 rule group.


--
Greetz,

Arie
This posting is provide "AS IS" with no guarantees, warranties, rigths
etc.

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Arie de Haan
Guest
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Do I need to manually add computers to computer groups? Reply with quote
Quote:
Ok Thank you everyone for clearing everything up. Just to see if I
understand everything, if I have Rule Group structure as:

Test Rule Group
|
|_Test Sub Group 1
|_Test Sub Group 2
|_Test Sub2-SubGroup 1

If I place a computer in the Test Rule Group the top level group, it wil
only include rules specified in the "Test Rule Group",
No also the ones below. So if you have a computer group bound to

TestRuleGroup then also the rules in TestSubGroup1,
TestSubGroup2,TestSub2-Subgroup1 will be deployed to the agent belonging
to that computergroup. This is used for instance in the Microsoft
windows Servers Base Operating System management pack. The Windows 2003
Rule group has the computer group bound and the agent will run all the
rules below it

Quote:
but not specified in
the sub groups? Likewise, if I associate a computer to only the "Test
Sub2-SubGroup 1", it will not have any rules specified at the above levels
since there is no inheritance?
Yes, it only works downwards, not upwards.



--
Greetz,

Arie
This posting is provide "AS IS" with no guarantees, warranties, rigths
etc.
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