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Herm
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

Hello,

I am trying to create a STUB zone for my domain kelder.local.
When I try to finish this Windows tell me that the zone cannot be created!
The request is not supported! I try to create this STUB zone on advice of
Dr. Shinder before installing ISA Server 2004 firewall...

Can somebody help me ?

Thanks,
Herman
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Dean Wells [MVP]
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

I would guess you're trying to AD integrate the stub zone into the
domain partition ... this is not supported until the domaun functional
level is set to 2. When creating the stub zone choose a different
replication scope or don't AD integrate it (or raise the domain
functional level but that requires planning in larger environments).

--
Dean Wells [MVP / Directory Services]
MSEtechnology
[[ Please respond to the Newsgroup only regarding posts ]]
R e m o v e t h e m a s k t o s e n d e m a i l

Herm wrote:
Quote:
Hello,

I am trying to create a STUB zone for my domain kelder.local.
When I try to finish this Windows tell me that the zone cannot be
created! The request is not supported! I try to create this STUB zone
on advice of Dr. Shinder before installing ISA Server 2004 firewall...

Can somebody help me ?

Thanks,
Herman
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Herm
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

Dean,

Hmmmm... I have to check that!
What does it mean set the Domain functional to level 2 ?

What is the meaning of a STUB zone anyway? It may
sound weird, but the books are not particular clear to me...
Could you explain to me What a STUB zone really is about or
where I can find some clear explination?

Thanks again,
Herman F.

"Dean Wells [MVP]" <dwells@mask.msetechnology.com> schreef in bericht
news:eHZaSHe9EHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Quote:
I would guess you're trying to AD integrate the stub zone into the domain
partition ... this is not supported until the domaun functional level is
set to 2. When creating the stub zone choose a different replication scope
or don't AD integrate it (or raise the domain functional level but that
requires planning in larger environments).

--
Dean Wells [MVP / Directory Services]
MSEtechnology
[[ Please respond to the Newsgroup only regarding posts ]]
R e m o v e t h e m a s k t o s e n d e m a i l

Herm wrote:
Hello,

I am trying to create a STUB zone for my domain kelder.local.
When I try to finish this Windows tell me that the zone cannot be
created! The request is not supported! I try to create this STUB zone
on advice of Dr. Shinder before installing ISA Server 2004 firewall...

Can somebody help me ?

Thanks,
Herman

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Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

In news:exyN3yo9EHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Herm <mighty_herm@hotmail.com> commented
Then Kevin replied below:
Quote:
Dean,

Hmmmm... I have to check that!
What does it mean set the Domain functional to level 2 ?

What is the meaning of a STUB zone anyway? It may
sound weird, but the books are not particular clear to
me...
Could you explain to me What a STUB zone really is about
or
where I can find some clear explination?

A stub zone holds copies of the NS record for the Authoritative DNS for its
domain name, it is not Authoritative, it it only points to the Authoritative
DNS. Basically, it delegates authority for a Fully Qualified name to another
DNS.



--
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Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
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Herm
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

Kevin,

Thank you for your answer. Maybe i try to discribe the situation on our
server right now.

The server runs a domain called kantoor.local. The Local IP adres of the
server is 10.0.0.10. On the public NIC I have bound the ISP's IP address
84.25.x.x. In de DNS console there is a primary zone called kantoor.local.
Also I have created a reverse lookup zone for that domain. The forwarders
are those from the ISP 213.51.x.x (2x).

All is functioning well! Now what do ihave to do to make or add a STUB
Zone???
What is the risk of not create a Stub Zone related to configure ISA 2004???

Thanks,
Herman F.



"Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> schreef in bericht
news:euq53%23p9EHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Quote:
In news:exyN3yo9EHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Herm <mighty_herm@hotmail.com> commented
Then Kevin replied below:
Dean,

Hmmmm... I have to check that!
What does it mean set the Domain functional to level 2 ?

What is the meaning of a STUB zone anyway? It may
sound weird, but the books are not particular clear to
me...
Could you explain to me What a STUB zone really is about
or
where I can find some clear explination?

A stub zone holds copies of the NS record for the Authoritative DNS for
its
domain name, it is not Authoritative, it it only points to the
Authoritative
DNS. Basically, it delegates authority for a Fully Qualified name to
another
DNS.



--
Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
Hope This Helps
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Dean Wells [MVP]
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

Windows 2003's Active Directory supports the concept of domain and
forest functional levels. Functional levels are stored internally as a
number currently ranging from 0 through 2. The numbers are simplified
in the interface to a name (e.g. - Windows 2000 Native). The higher the
functional level, the more new features are engaged ... but at the
expense of backward compatibility in that we lose the ability to have
certain operating systems participating as domain controllers. The
lower the functional level, the less new features are active but the
domain or forest permits a larger variety of operating systems taking
the role of a domain controller (note that functional level do NOT
directly impact which operating systems are supported as domain
members).

As for stub zones, we'll need a bit of background info. before that one
can be easily understood -

DNS servers generally store a number of zones (zone = DNS database used
to hold domains and domain records) for which they can be considered an
authority (or authoritative). Simplified, this means that their
knowledge is deemed complete and accurate. A zone's start of authority
[SOA] is a DNS server that stores the writable copy of a particular zone
.... most non-MS DNS servers only support 1 writable copy of a particular
zone and lots of r/o copies, each of which is stored in a zone file).
Since these DNS servers are authoritative for only their own zones but
are still commonly expected to be capable of answering questions
(resolve queries) for domains that they do not store, a mechanism had to
be provided to allow this to occur. That mechanism (again simplified or
this post would become very long ;-) provides an out-of-the-box DNS
server with knowledge of the IP addresses of a number of other DNS
servers that store the beginning of the DNS world (or DNS namespace) ...
they are known as root servers. This does NOT mean that root servers
store every record for every zone everywhere, it simply means they
possess knowledge of the DNS servers that DO store the answer. Root
servers may know only of the top level DNS servers (com / org / net ...
etc.), who in turn know of the next level (microsoft.com / joeware.net
.... etc.).

So, for a DNS server (without a stub zone) to answer a first-time query
within a domain it does not store (say "www.joeware.net) it must first
ask the root servers, it receives only a list of DNS servers that store
the next level (i,.e - the ".net" component), it will then reiterate the
question against these nameservers who will provide a list of DNS
servers authoritative for "joeware.net", it must then reiterate the
question one last time against the "joeware.net" name servers, at this
point, the answer is returned ... that being one or more A records named
www.joeware.net that point to the IP addresses of Joe's web servers.

Stub zones allow your DNS server to store knowledge of _who_ stores
"joeware.net" (not a copy of the zone's content) thereby minimizing the
number of queries required to resolve a record for which it is not
authoritative because the steps involving the root servers and any other
interim name servers were removed.

HTH

--
Dean Wells [MVP / Directory Services]
MSEtechnology
[[ Please respond to the Newsgroup only regarding posts ]]
R e m o v e t h e m a s k t o s e n d e m a i l

Herm wrote:
Quote:
Dean,

Hmmmm... I have to check that!
What does it mean set the Domain functional to level 2 ?

What is the meaning of a STUB zone anyway? It may
sound weird, but the books are not particular clear to me...
Could you explain to me What a STUB zone really is about or
where I can find some clear explination?

Thanks again,
Herman F.

"Dean Wells [MVP]" <dwells@mask.msetechnology.com> schreef in bericht
news:eHZaSHe9EHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
I would guess you're trying to AD integrate the stub zone into the
domain partition ... this is not supported until the domaun
functional level is set to 2. When creating the stub zone choose a
different replication scope or don't AD integrate it (or raise the
domain functional level but that requires planning in larger
environments). --
Dean Wells [MVP / Directory Services]
MSEtechnology
[[ Please respond to the Newsgroup only regarding posts ]]
R e m o v e t h e m a s k t o s e n d e m a i l

Herm wrote:
Hello,

I am trying to create a STUB zone for my domain kelder.local.
When I try to finish this Windows tell me that the zone cannot be
created! The request is not supported! I try to create this STUB
zone on advice of Dr. Shinder before installing ISA Server 2004
firewall... Can somebody help me ?

Thanks,
Herman
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Herb Martin
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

Quote:
All is functioning well! Now what do ihave to do to make or add a STUB
Zone???

You cannot add another zone for the same zone (name)
on the same server.

A Stub zone plays roughly the same role as a Secondary
zone does, with the important exception of not downloading
(zone transfer) the entire zone file.

Stub zones maintain only the most critical information for
FINDING the zone, e.g., the SOA, NS records, and the
A records for ONLY those name servers in the NS records.

The advantage of a Stub over a secondary is for truly huge
zones that need to be resolve across a relatively slow
WAN connection.

The classic example is a network in one country, or even
continent, that needs to resolve relatively few addresses
from another country/continent where a huge zone exists.

This is fairly common where the "main corporate" network
is in (for instance) Germany, but the company has local
offices with their own domains and thus zones around the
world.

If that main German DNS zone is really large, and the WAN
is relatively slow speed it makes no sense to copy ALL of
that info but rather makes sense to only fetch (resolve) those
addresses actually requested, and let caching keep them
-- the relevant ones only -- available.


--
Herb Martin


"Herm" <mighty_herm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uXAoNDy9EHA.608@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
Quote:
Kevin,

Thank you for your answer. Maybe i try to discribe the situation on our
server right now.

The server runs a domain called kantoor.local. The Local IP adres of the
server is 10.0.0.10. On the public NIC I have bound the ISP's IP address
84.25.x.x. In de DNS console there is a primary zone called kantoor.local.
Also I have created a reverse lookup zone for that domain. The forwarders
are those from the ISP 213.51.x.x (2x).

All is functioning well! Now what do ihave to do to make or add a STUB
Zone???
What is the risk of not create a Stub Zone related to configure ISA
2004???

Thanks,
Herman F.



"Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> schreef in bericht
news:euq53%23p9EHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
In news:exyN3yo9EHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Herm <mighty_herm@hotmail.com> commented
Then Kevin replied below:
Dean,

Hmmmm... I have to check that!
What does it mean set the Domain functional to level 2 ?

What is the meaning of a STUB zone anyway? It may
sound weird, but the books are not particular clear to
me...
Could you explain to me What a STUB zone really is about
or
where I can find some clear explination?

A stub zone holds copies of the NS record for the Authoritative DNS for
its
domain name, it is not Authoritative, it it only points to the
Authoritative
DNS. Basically, it delegates authority for a Fully Qualified name to
another
DNS.



--
Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
Hope This Helps
===================================
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Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Cannot create STUB zone Reply with quote

In news:uXAoNDy9EHA.608@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
Herm <mighty_herm@hotmail.com> commented
Then Kevin replied below:
Quote:
All is functioning well! Now what do ihave to do to make
or add a STUB Zone???

Do you have a need for a Stub Zone?
Once you know you have the need for a stub zone, you create the Stub zone
and point it to the DNS server's IP so it can download its copy of the SOA,
NS and "A" records for the NS records.

Quote:
What is the risk of not create a Stub Zone related to
configure ISA 2004???

Having ISA does not require you to have a stub zone.

Stub zones are generally desirable when you have multiple trees in a forest
separated by a WAN, or if creating trust between Win2k3 domains.

--
Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
Hope This Helps
===================================
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