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Mary M
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
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Currently there is an NT4 Domain with 1 server. How can you do a fresh
install of the server to 2003 (ie. blown away and install with 2003) and
have the clients communicate properly with the new serveronce the install is
complete? We tested this and the following happens - A message indicating
that the trust relationship between that workstation and the P D failed,
however, it lets you log in and run apps.
(The server was named the same as the original one and the netbios name is
also the same.)
Does something need to be done to the clients after the new server is in
place?
Also, can the test server built be used temporaraly, even though they get
the error logging in, while the server is being installed?
Thanks in advance for any assistance. |
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Danny Sanders
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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Considering the fact that the PDC of an NT 4.0 domain is the only DC that
holds a writeable copy of the SAM and to a client new SAM = new domain. If
you blow away the NT PDC, *anything* done after this point is creating a new
domain and you will have to add the clients to the new domain and have new
profiles created.
If you want to have your clients see the AD domain as the same domain you
must upgrade the PDC to AD, do a fresh install of Win 2k3 on the new server,
Demote the upgraded PDC from being a DC then remove it from AD. You are left
with a fresh install of Win 2k3 with your NT 4.0 clients communicating
properly with the AD DC.
hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
"Mary M" <none@no_email.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Currently there is an NT4 Domain with 1 server. How can you do a fresh
install of the server to 2003 (ie. blown away and install with 2003) and
have the clients communicate properly with the new serveronce the install
is complete? We tested this and the following happens - A message
indicating that the trust relationship between that workstation and the P
D failed, however, it lets you log in and run apps.
(The server was named the same as the original one and the netbios name is
also the same.)
Does something need to be done to the clients after the new server is in
place?
Also, can the test server built be used temporaraly, even though they get
the error logging in, while the server is being installed?
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Danny Sanders
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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| Quote: | There are only a small amount of users effected by this. Do you just
remove the remove the computer from the NT4 Domain and then join the 2003
Domain after the install?
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You have move them to a workgroup then move them to the new domain.
| Quote: | Can this be done without removing them from the NT4 Domain and just
"re-join" the 2003 after the install?
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You would have to move them to a workgroup (this equates to removing them
from their existing domain) then add them to the new domain.
| Quote: | Lastly, even though there are errors about trust relations, can the temp
server be used during the install?
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Not sure why you would even use a "temp" server.Create the new server then
go to each client and move them to a work group then turn around and add
them to the new domain.
By using a temp server you are creating more work for yourself
By the time you set up a temp server you could have set up the final server.
During the time you would be setting up your final server you could be
adding the clients to the new server.
Your clients should not be working during your upgrade anyway.
hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
"Mary M" <none@no_email.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If you blow away the NT PDC, *anything* done after this point is creating
a new domain and you will have to add the clients to the new domain and
have new profiles created.
There are only a small amount of users effected by this. Do you just
remove the remove the computer from the NT4 Domain and then join the 2003
Domain after the install?
Can this be done without removing them from the NT4 Domain and just
"re-join" the 2003 after the install?
Lastly, even though there are errors about trust relations, can the temp
server be used during the install?
Thanks again.
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Mary M
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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| Quote: | Can this be done without removing them from the NT4 Domain and just
"re-join" the 2003 after the install?
You would have to move them to a workgroup (this equates to removing them
from their existing domain) then add them to the new domain.
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Will it prompt for a user with permission to leave the domain? Will it allow
me to if the PDC is gone?
| Quote: | Not sure why you would even use a "temp" server.Create the new server then
go to each client and move them to a work group then turn around and add
them to the new domain.
By using a temp server you are creating more work for yourself
By the time you set up a temp server you could have set up the final
server. During the time you would be setting up your final server you
could be adding the clients to the new server.
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The temp server is already built, it was used to test the apps they run. I
was just hoping it could be plugged in to keep a DB running during the
install of the OS and apps. The temp server works with the current clients,
however it does complain about the tust relationship at login.
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Thanks again for your help. |
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Danny Sanders
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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| Quote: | Will it prompt for a user with permission to leave the domain? Will it
allow me to if the PDC is gone?
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Yes and Yes.
hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
"Mary M" <none@no_email.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Can this be done without removing them from the NT4 Domain and just
"re-join" the 2003 after the install?
You would have to move them to a workgroup (this equates to removing them
from their existing domain) then add them to the new domain.
Will it prompt for a user with permission to leave the domain? Will it
allow me to if the PDC is gone?
Not sure why you would even use a "temp" server.Create the new server
then go to each client and move them to a work group then turn around and
add them to the new domain.
By using a temp server you are creating more work for yourself
By the time you set up a temp server you could have set up the final
server. During the time you would be setting up your final server you
could be adding the clients to the new server.
The temp server is already built, it was used to test the apps they run. I
was just hoping it could be plugged in to keep a DB running during the
install of the OS and apps. The temp server works with the current
clients, however it does complain about the tust relationship at login.
.
Thanks again for your help.
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Mary M
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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| Quote: | If you blow away the NT PDC, *anything* done after this point is creating
a new domain and you will have to add the clients to the new domain and
have new profiles created.
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There are only a small amount of users effected by this. Do you just remove
the remove the computer from the NT4 Domain and then join the 2003 Domain
after the install?
Can this be done without removing them from the NT4 Domain and just
"re-join" the 2003 after the install?
Lastly, even though there are errors about trust relations, can the temp
server be used during the install?
Thanks again. |
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Mary M
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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Thanks again for all of your help.
Two more quick questions:
1. If you leave an NT domain by joining a workgroup, then join a 2003
domain - Are you able to leave the 2003 and join an NT domain again?
2. The temp server works with the current clients, however it does complain
about the tust relationship at login. Is it OK to use it to keep a DB
running during the 2003 install?
Many, many thanks again! |
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Danny Sanders
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
Re: NT4 to 2003 single server |
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| Quote: | 1. If you leave an NT domain by joining a workgroup, then join a 2003
domain - Are you able to leave the 2003 and join an NT domain again?
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You would move them to a workgroup then move them back into the NT domain.
You can remove a client from a domain to a workgroup, then add them to a
domain, move them to a workgroup, add them to another domain, as much as you
need to. Basically you are just adding the computer to a group of computers
where there is a centrally managed security policy, then removing it from
that group.
| Quote: | 2. The temp server works with the current clients, however it does
complain about the tust relationship at login. Is it OK to use it to keep
a DB running during the 2003 install?
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I would think it would be OK. I'm not a DB admin, but I don't think it will
make a difference to the DB if the computers have "trust" issues.
hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
B> 2. The temp server works with the current clients, however it does
complain
| Quote: | about the tust relationship at login. Is it OK to use it to keep a DB
running during the 2003 install?
2. The temp server works with the current clients, however it does
complain about the tust relationship at login. Is it OK to use it to keep
a DB running during the 2003 install?
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"Mary M" <none@no_email.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks again for all of your help.
Two more quick questions:
1. If you leave an NT domain by joining a workgroup, then join a 2003
domain - Are you able to leave the 2003 and join an NT domain again?
2. The temp server works with the current clients, however it does
complain about the tust relationship at login. Is it OK to use it to keep
a DB running during the 2003 install?
Many, many thanks again!
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