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Patrick
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:37 am Post subject:
Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name problems |
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Hello - I was asked to help a friend who has the following domain setup:
Windows 2003 SBS with 20 Clients
Domain Name - sample.com
DNS Zone Name - sample.com.dns
External Domain name - sample.com
What I've done in the past is put a host record in the local DNS name to
point www to the outside IP address of their web site.
This won't work, since the people working on the website and hosting it have
a meta-refresh that forwards requests from www.sample.com to sample.com -
because they host several web sites on the same IP. It's also impossible to
get a hold of their support.
Other than get rid of their hosting company, is there a way from our DNS to
get the web site to show up for internal clients. There is no problem for
external clients. Thanks for any help! |
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Roger Abell
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:06 am Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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If I have understood correctly then you may well be out of luck
as the name sample.com is and must have records for the DCs
in the internal DNS zone. You likely have to get those hosting
the website to redefine the redirect to use the www qualified
name.
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Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"Patrick" <patrick@hello.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello - I was asked to help a friend who has the following domain setup:
Windows 2003 SBS with 20 Clients
Domain Name - sample.com
DNS Zone Name - sample.com.dns
External Domain name - sample.com
What I've done in the past is put a host record in the local DNS name to
point www to the outside IP address of their web site.
This won't work, since the people working on the website and hosting it
have
a meta-refresh that forwards requests from www.sample.com to sample.com -
because they host several web sites on the same IP. It's also impossible
to
get a hold of their support.
Other than get rid of their hosting company, is there a way from our DNS
to
get the web site to show up for internal clients. There is no problem for
external clients. Thanks for any help!
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Herb Martin
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:00 am Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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"Patrick" <patrick@hello.com> wrote in message
news:eqL#Byd8EHA.2016@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | Hello - I was asked to help a friend who has the following domain setup:
Windows 2003 SBS with 20 Clients
Domain Name - sample.com
DNS Zone Name - sample.com.dns
External Domain name - sample.com
What I've done in the past is put a host record in the local DNS name to
point www to the outside IP address of their web site.
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This does NOT work for AD domains since every DC
also registers that (bare) zone name for each DC.
It works fine for non-AD internal networks and on the
outside for your public name resolution for clients.
| Quote: | This won't work, since the people working on the website and hosting it
have
a meta-refresh that forwards requests from www.sample.com to sample.com -
because they host several web sites on the same IP. It's also impossible
to
get a hold of their support.
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That is not a good reason for the above behavior.
In fact, if anything it should be the other way around.
If you cannot get them to fix THERE problem it may
not be easy for you to fix yourself.
BUT, if this zone and the web site belongs to your friend
then he OWNS it and should insist it be corrected or find
another provider.
| Quote: | Other than get rid of their hosting company, is there a way from our DNS
to
get the web site to show up for internal clients. There is no problem for
external clients. Thanks for any help!
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Get rid of the hosting company if they are unresponsive.
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Herb Martin |
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Ace Fekay [MVP]
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:43 am Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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In news:eqL%23Byd8EHA.2016@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
Patrick <patrick@hello.com> made a post then I commented below
:: Hello - I was asked to help a friend who has the following domain
:: setup:
::
:: Windows 2003 SBS with 20 Clients
:: Domain Name - sample.com
:: DNS Zone Name - sample.com.dns
::
:: External Domain name - sample.com
::
:: What I've done in the past is put a host record in the local DNS
:: name to point www to the outside IP address of their web site.
::
:: This won't work, since the people working on the website and hosting
:: it have a meta-refresh that forwards requests from www.sample.com to
:: sample.com - because they host several web sites on the same IP.
:: It's also impossible to get a hold of their support.
::
:: Other than get rid of their hosting company, is there a way from our
:: DNS to get the web site to show up for internal clients. There is no
:: problem for external clients. Thanks for any help!
In addition to Roger's suggestions, maybe you can try to delegate a child
zone called "www' and give it the external authorative DNS servers. This
way, those servers will direct it to the actual current IP.
As for getting to http://sample.com, since the AD name and the external name
are the same, that is a bit more challenging. Since the DC registers the
LdapIpAddress (each DC creates that record which points to sample.com's
DCs), you could redirect the default IIS website to www.sample.com and the
above delegation would handle it from there. This will not affect OWA, since
that connection is specifically to a subfolder.
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Regards,
Ace
G O E A G L E S !!!
Please direct all replies ONLY to the Microsoft public newsgroups
so all can benefit.
This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees
and confers no rights.
Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Windows Server - Directory Services
Security Is Like An Onion, It Has Layers
HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken;
A lifetime commitment for a pig.
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Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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In news:uxyLcBi8EHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
Ace Fekay [MVP] <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameHere@hotmail.com>
commented
Then Kevin replied below:
| Quote: | In news:eqL%23Byd8EHA.2016@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
Patrick <patrick@hello.com> made a post then I commented
below
Hello - I was asked to help a friend who has the
following domain setup:
Windows 2003 SBS with 20 Clients
Domain Name - sample.com
DNS Zone Name - sample.com.dns
External Domain name - sample.com
What I've done in the past is put a host record in the
local DNS name to point www to the outside IP address
of their web site.
This won't work, since the people working on the
website and hosting it have a meta-refresh that
forwards requests from www.sample.com to sample.com -
because they host several web sites on the same IP.
It's also impossible to get a hold of their support.
Other than get rid of their hosting company, is there a
way from our DNS to get the web site to show up for
internal clients. There is no problem for external
clients. Thanks for any help!
In addition to Roger's suggestions, maybe you can try to
delegate a child zone called "www' and give it the
external authorative DNS servers. This way, those servers
will direct it to the actual current IP.
As for getting to http://sample.com, since the AD name
and the external name are the same, that is a bit more
challenging. Since the DC registers the LdapIpAddress
(each DC creates that record which points to sample.com's
DCs), you could redirect the default IIS website to
www.sample.com and the above delegation would handle it
from there. This will not affect OWA, since that
connection is specifically to a subfolder.
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Ace, I'm afraid Patrick is stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard spot on
this one. I know you must have missed the part about his hosting provider
redirecting http://www.sample.com to http://sample.com. The normal thing
would be to use www.sample.com and have your DC redirect http://sample.com
to that site. But in Patrick's case his provider is redirecting
www.sample.com to http://sample.com this will cause a redirection loop.
He is going to have to call his provider to stop the redirection.
--
Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
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Ace Fekay [MVP]
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:56 am Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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In news:una40an8EHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> made a post then I
commented below
:: Ace, I'm afraid Patrick is stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard
:: spot on this one. I know you must have missed the part about his
:: hosting provider redirecting http://www.sample.com to
:: http://sample.com. The normal thing would be to use www.sample.com
:: and have your DC redirect http://sample.com to that site. But in
:: Patrick's case his provider is redirecting www.sample.com to
:: http://sample.com this will cause a redirection loop.
:: He is going to have to call his provider to stop the redirection.
I must be getting old.... dear me! LOL
Good point Kevin. This is a tough issue. |
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Todd
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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Is there a solution to this issue? I'm having the exact same problem.
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Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:57 am Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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In news:CB8D22A8-F456-4158-AD13-3F22DA78CBC2@microsoft.com,
Todd <Todd@discussions.microsoft.com> commented
Then Kevin replied below:
| Quote: | Is there a solution to this issue? I'm having the exact
same problem. Thanks,
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There is no solution other than using www.domainname you cannot use only
that domain name to connect to your website. The domain name MUST resolve to
your Domain Controllers private IP address(es) No Exceptions in an AD
environment.
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Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
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Herb Martin
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Internal Domain Name same as external Domain Name proble |
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| Quote: | There is no solution other than using www.domainname you cannot use only
that domain name to connect to your website. The domain name MUST resolve
to
your Domain Controllers private IP address(es) No Exceptions in an AD
environment.
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If you REALLY must make this work, you run
a (limited) web server on every DC with a referral
page to the real web server.
Easier to just teach your users to just type
"Domain"<CTRL-ENTER>
....if you have a .com web site.
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"Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In news:CB8D22A8-F456-4158-AD13-3F22DA78CBC2@microsoft.com,
Todd <Todd@discussions.microsoft.com> commented
Then Kevin replied below:
Is there a solution to this issue? I'm having the exact
same problem. Thanks,
There is no solution other than using www.domainname you cannot use only
that domain name to connect to your website. The domain name MUST resolve
to
your Domain Controllers private IP address(es) No Exceptions in an AD
environment.
--
Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
Hope This Helps
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