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phawley77 · Guest

I work for a service provider hoping to offer MOM 2005 as a managed service
to improve our support service offers for clients. We will be offinrg the
service out to companies of varying sizes from single site with less than 5
servers required to be monitored to multisite multiserver (2-5 servers per
site) organisations.

I was wondering whether we can have each organisation have their own
solution (maybe onsite using a MOM workgroup based solution), or maybe in our
datacentre using full installation and then having all the various MOM
installations send alerts to a central MOM implementation sitting with our
support team?

The constraints are that they are all independent domains with no trusts
between them obviously, and that we want to know if MOM 2005 workgroup
edition can forward alerts to another central MOM installation.

Thanks.

Phil

Brian Desmond [MVP] · Guest

Phil-

Workgroup edition cannot forward alerts.

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phawley77 · Guest

Brian,

So the way we could implement is by having management servers at the various
sites (with the database cluster at the datacentre) and have them forward
alerts to a central management server?

If so can the management server that they forward to be in a different
domain to them, with no trusts in place?

Thanks

Phil

"Brian Desmond [MVP]" wrote:

Brian Desmond [MVP] · Guest

Phil-

The mgmt servers are going to all need to be in teh same domain for the
config you're describing (as I understand it). I fyou want the forwarding
with the MCF, you need a DB at each site as well...

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phawley77 · Guest

Brian,

And that would be the case even if the domains on the various sites have
trusts set up to the domain at the datacentre?

Thanks

"Brian Desmond [MVP]" wrote:

Brian Desmond [MVP] · Guest

Hmm, you would be OK if the Datacenter domain trusted the remote domain, if
I'm thinking about this right. I wouldn't imagine this is an ideal
configuration though, especially if you're just doing hosted MOM...

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phawley77 · Guest

MOM is basically being deployed so we can monitor the sites where offer
managed Network services. In this kind of environment then, what would be
your advice?

Thanks,

Phil

"Brian Desmond [MVP]" wrote:

Brian Desmond [MVP] · Guest

Define network services ... how many devices, management packs, event
volume.

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--Brian Desmond
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phawley77 · Guest

In most of the situations we offer a complete outsourcing of 'everything' -
so Active Directory, Sharepoint, SQL, Exchange.......Numbers or servers can
be anything from 60 - 180 servers over multiple sites on the two
implementations I am trialling MOM on.

The management packs will therefore be:-

MOM 2005, SQL, AD, Base OS, MBSA, DNS, SPS, Exchange (although exchange has
not yet been rolled out it will be in the future).

This all needs to be supported from a central location by our support team.
All our clients are education esablishements or Education authorities and so
some of the smaller places have limited bandwidth so don't really want to
swamp their bandwidth with alert traffic (have already recommended they turn
off a lot of the performance based alerts initially).

Does this give a clearer picture?

"Brian Desmond [MVP]" wrote:

Brian Desmond [MVP] · Guest

I understand what you're trying to do. I'm not sure what your definition of
limited bandwidth is, but, whether you chosoe to simply run the alerts over
the WAN, have a consolidator on the LAN, or even a management group with
forwarding, you're going to have a bandwidth consideration.

I would take the second option, personally - put a consolidator on the LAN
and push from there across the WAN. Make sure you jack up the queue siuze on
the consolidator so that if the WAN link goes down, is saturated, etc you
don't lose data.

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--Brian Desmond
Windows Server MVP
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phawley77 · Guest

Ah right, so basically in MOM 2005 that is just a full MOM installation
without reporting with a connector to the data center installation?

"Brian Desmond [MVP]" wrote:

Andy Webb · Guest

Depending on the bandwidth, you could just install agents to the servers and
let them report to management servers you host. The bandwidth does become
an issue, but compared to all the other management that takes place over the
network, the mom reporting is fairly small. For larger sites, local
managment servers and databases will make more sense. I haven't seen (yet)
where there has to be domain trust to roll up events. You could always roll
your own rollup using the MOM Connector Framework and get around any
barriers the builtin rollup has.

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phawley77 · Guest

Thanks for that.

I am just being over cautious on the bandwidth due to certain SLAs that are
in place. I am working on the premise that each site 'should' have a
contended 512k DSL link for all its connectivity needs ie browsing, mail,
cross site AD replication (in bigger implementations). Assuming most of the
performance reporting is disabled initially do you think this should be
enough?

Also assuming we go for just having agents on the servers to be monitored,
with a MOM installation in a central data centre serving multiple sites and
domains, then there needs to be no trust relationship between the domains in
which the monitored servers reside and the domain in which the central MOM
installation resides?

Also if we go for having management server/database server on most of the
larger sites, then MCF would be the way you would go to forward certain
alerts to central MOM installation covered by our Support guys?

Thanks again to both of you - Have only been testing MOM 2005 for 2 weeks
now - hence stupid questions ;-)

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