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GTP
Guest
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 Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired system |
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This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached to the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway, dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer systems. The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg |
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Frank McCallister SBS MVP
Guest
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:13 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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GTP
Guest
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:35 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
Guest
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:57 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice is ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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GTP
Guest
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:29 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the previous post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice is ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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GTP
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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No, I know I can do this. Its standard edition. I'll figure it out.
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
I hope this doesn't offend you but you really need to go over the
installation instructions more carefully. The Internet connections from the
Workstations is handled by RRAS in Standard and ISA in Premium and this is
configured by running the Connect to Internet Wizard (CEICW) from the todo
list.
I would recommend that if this is a business application that you obtain the
services of a qualified SBS consultant to help you finish this setup. If
this is a home/learning setup then we will be happy to continue to assist
you.
If you need a consultant tell us your location and we will refer or someone
will popup.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B1B2AC9-646F-422F-9649-6E6BA54B9550@microsoft.com...
To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the previous
post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t
that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the
internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS
firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much
more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so
therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external
firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT
router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice is
ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with
clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the
Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router.
Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic
attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to
the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on
this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def
gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to
point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous
threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some
reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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Frank McCallister SBS MVP
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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Hi
I hope this doesn't offend you but you really need to go over the
installation instructions more carefully. The Internet connections from the
Workstations is handled by RRAS in Standard and ISA in Premium and this is
configured by running the Connect to Internet Wizard (CEICW) from the todo
list.
I would recommend that if this is a business application that you obtain the
services of a qualified SBS consultant to help you finish this setup. If
this is a home/learning setup then we will be happy to continue to assist
you.
If you need a consultant tell us your location and we will refer or someone
will popup.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B1B2AC9-646F-422F-9649-6E6BA54B9550@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the previous
post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t
that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the
internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS
firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much
more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so
therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external
firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT
router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice is
ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with
clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the
Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router.
Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic
attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to
the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on
this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def
gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to
point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous
threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some
reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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on the server
Start, All Programs, is Microsoft ISA Server listed?
An easier question may be SBS Standard or Premium? Standard does not include
ISA, so unless you wasted money by purchasing ISA seperately (which sounds
unlikely) you will only have ISA if you own Premium. Even if you own
Premium, ISA is an optional install, so it's possible for it not to be
there.
Cable and ADSL are both broadband technologies, it rarely makes a difference
in discussion. Many of us run a router in front of SBS for several reasons:
1) The internet service requires some form of login. In the past login
software has caused problems if installed on the SBS (RASPPPoE has been
known to BSOD servers), many of us like to use a router which can perform
any necessary login.
2) Stable IP interface on the external NIC. By using a router on the
external any disruption to the ISP service has minimal effect on SBS.
3) Security in layers. Our router stops a lot of noise hitting our SBS. If
everyone on our ISP local subnet gets infected with the latest NETBIOS worm
we don't give a care, the ports which allow its propogation are blocked at
the router and never get near our SBS.
There's other reasons, but those three are a good start.
In your situation (ISP direct to SBS) the SBS is acting as router, as it
would with a device in front it. In Standard the router functionality is
provided by RRAS, if a Premium owner installs ISA it performs this task. In
any of these scenarios SBS controls internet access and this is configured
by the CEICW (To-Do List, Connect to the Internet).
SBS Standard owners should consider either upgrading to Premium or running a
business class firewall appliance and a single NIC setup. In the latter
scenario control of internet moves to the appliance.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B1B2AC9-646F-422F-9649-6E6BA54B9550@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the previous
post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t
that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the
internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS
firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much
more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so
therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external
firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT
router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice is
ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with
clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the
Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router.
Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic
attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to
the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on
this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def
gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to
point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous
threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some
reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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GTP
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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I understand, I think I have it figured out. One last question, does it
matter if the router in front of the external nic is wireless?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | on the server
Start, All Programs, is Microsoft ISA Server listed?
An easier question may be SBS Standard or Premium? Standard does not include
ISA, so unless you wasted money by purchasing ISA seperately (which sounds
unlikely) you will only have ISA if you own Premium. Even if you own
Premium, ISA is an optional install, so it's possible for it not to be
there.
Cable and ADSL are both broadband technologies, it rarely makes a difference
in discussion. Many of us run a router in front of SBS for several reasons:
1) The internet service requires some form of login. In the past login
software has caused problems if installed on the SBS (RASPPPoE has been
known to BSOD servers), many of us like to use a router which can perform
any necessary login.
2) Stable IP interface on the external NIC. By using a router on the
external any disruption to the ISP service has minimal effect on SBS.
3) Security in layers. Our router stops a lot of noise hitting our SBS. If
everyone on our ISP local subnet gets infected with the latest NETBIOS worm
we don't give a care, the ports which allow its propogation are blocked at
the router and never get near our SBS.
There's other reasons, but those three are a good start.
In your situation (ISP direct to SBS) the SBS is acting as router, as it
would with a device in front it. In Standard the router functionality is
provided by RRAS, if a Premium owner installs ISA it performs this task. In
any of these scenarios SBS controls internet access and this is configured
by the CEICW (To-Do List, Connect to the Internet).
SBS Standard owners should consider either upgrading to Premium or running a
business class firewall appliance and a single NIC setup. In the latter
scenario control of internet moves to the appliance.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B1B2AC9-646F-422F-9649-6E6BA54B9550@microsoft.com...
To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the previous
post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t
that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the
internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS
firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much
more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so
therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external
firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT
router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice is
ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with
clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the
Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router.
Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic
attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to
the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on
this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def
gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to
point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous
threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some
reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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as long as it has a physical port to connect the server you're OK. I
wouldn't use wireless on the server in a pink fit.
NOTE: Clients connecting to the wireless router, if it is connected to your
external NIC, will be 'outside' your local network. I've actually run
clients like this, they make a wireless connection then VPN in as if they
were away from the office.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CAC01A9-90E6-496F-B9A7-5B00F162CC69@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | I understand, I think I have it figured out. One last question, does it
matter if the router in front of the external nic is wireless?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
on the server
Start, All Programs, is Microsoft ISA Server listed?
An easier question may be SBS Standard or Premium? Standard does not
include
ISA, so unless you wasted money by purchasing ISA seperately (which
sounds
unlikely) you will only have ISA if you own Premium. Even if you own
Premium, ISA is an optional install, so it's possible for it not to be
there.
Cable and ADSL are both broadband technologies, it rarely makes a
difference
in discussion. Many of us run a router in front of SBS for several
reasons:
1) The internet service requires some form of login. In the past login
software has caused problems if installed on the SBS (RASPPPoE has been
known to BSOD servers), many of us like to use a router which can perform
any necessary login.
2) Stable IP interface on the external NIC. By using a router on the
external any disruption to the ISP service has minimal effect on SBS.
3) Security in layers. Our router stops a lot of noise hitting our SBS.
If
everyone on our ISP local subnet gets infected with the latest NETBIOS
worm
we don't give a care, the ports which allow its propogation are blocked
at
the router and never get near our SBS.
There's other reasons, but those three are a good start.
In your situation (ISP direct to SBS) the SBS is acting as router, as it
would with a device in front it. In Standard the router functionality is
provided by RRAS, if a Premium owner installs ISA it performs this task.
In
any of these scenarios SBS controls internet access and this is
configured
by the CEICW (To-Do List, Connect to the Internet).
SBS Standard owners should consider either upgrading to Premium or
running a
business class firewall appliance and a single NIC setup. In the latter
scenario control of internet moves to the appliance.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B1B2AC9-646F-422F-9649-6E6BA54B9550@microsoft.com...
To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should
be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the
previous
post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t
that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the
internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I
still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS
firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much
more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so
therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external
firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT
router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice
is
ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with
clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the
Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router.
Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic
attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect
to
the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me
on
this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def
gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to
point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems
to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous
threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some
reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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GTP
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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Thanks,
So I need to go buy a single port router, chuck the wireless router because
of security, and then can I use the WAP for wireless that I will connect to a
switch on the internal nic?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | as long as it has a physical port to connect the server you're OK. I
wouldn't use wireless on the server in a pink fit.
NOTE: Clients connecting to the wireless router, if it is connected to your
external NIC, will be 'outside' your local network. I've actually run
clients like this, they make a wireless connection then VPN in as if they
were away from the office.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CAC01A9-90E6-496F-B9A7-5B00F162CC69@microsoft.com...
I understand, I think I have it figured out. One last question, does it
matter if the router in front of the external nic is wireless?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
on the server
Start, All Programs, is Microsoft ISA Server listed?
An easier question may be SBS Standard or Premium? Standard does not
include
ISA, so unless you wasted money by purchasing ISA seperately (which
sounds
unlikely) you will only have ISA if you own Premium. Even if you own
Premium, ISA is an optional install, so it's possible for it not to be
there.
Cable and ADSL are both broadband technologies, it rarely makes a
difference
in discussion. Many of us run a router in front of SBS for several
reasons:
1) The internet service requires some form of login. In the past login
software has caused problems if installed on the SBS (RASPPPoE has been
known to BSOD servers), many of us like to use a router which can perform
any necessary login.
2) Stable IP interface on the external NIC. By using a router on the
external any disruption to the ISP service has minimal effect on SBS.
3) Security in layers. Our router stops a lot of noise hitting our SBS.
If
everyone on our ISP local subnet gets infected with the latest NETBIOS
worm
we don't give a care, the ports which allow its propogation are blocked
at
the router and never get near our SBS.
There's other reasons, but those three are a good start.
In your situation (ISP direct to SBS) the SBS is acting as router, as it
would with a device in front it. In Standard the router functionality is
provided by RRAS, if a Premium owner installs ISA it performs this task.
In
any of these scenarios SBS controls internet access and this is
configured
by the CEICW (To-Do List, Connect to the Internet).
SBS Standard owners should consider either upgrading to Premium or
running a
business class firewall appliance and a single NIC setup. In the latter
scenario control of internet moves to the appliance.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B1B2AC9-646F-422F-9649-6E6BA54B9550@microsoft.com...
To tell you the truth, I don't know if I have ISA, and maybe I should
be
saying "cable connection" instead of broadband. I looked at the
previous
post
with a digram that had the internet going into a router and then to the
server (external nic)where mine is set up cable modem directly to the
external nic and then the static IP on the server from the ISP. Doesn;t
that
mean that nobody else on the network will be able to connect to the
internet
with my current setup?
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Do you have ISA?
If you do then the desire for an external router is reduced but I
still
prefer to run a simple NAT router in front of ISA.
If you do not have ISA you are relying on windows native RRAS
firewalling,
though I know of no current exploit of this technology I would be much
more
comfortable having a router in front of it.
In SBS2000 it was, for me, an easy decision. ISA was included so
therefore I
used it. Since the introduction of SBS2003 and the choice (and price
difference) to implement ISA exists the idea of using an external
firewall
device has become appealing. NOTE: I'm not referring to a simple NAT
router
or 'commodity' firewall device, compare like with like and the choice
is
ISA
vs something like a PIX or WatchGuard Firebox.
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6CD9145A-5850-4CD2-91C6-7489CF1FE451@microsoft.com...
Do I need a router? I have mine like this:
Broadband Modem - external nic - then internal nic - switch - with
clients
and a WAP )The wap is not even on the network at this point.
External nic - Static ISP
Internal nic - nothing entered
Cleints - Obtain
"Frank McCallister SBS MVP" wrote:
Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the
Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router.
Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic
attached
to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect
to
the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me
on
this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def
gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to
point
to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer
systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems
to
work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous
threads
but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some
reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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tryschon
Joined: 04 May 2006
Posts: 2
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Thu May 04, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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| Frank McCallister SBS MVP wrote: | Hi Greg
Take a look at
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Network/TwoNicsastaticIPaddressISArouter/tabid/154/Default.aspx
Be sure that the DNS for both NICs points ONLY to the IP for the Internal
NIC.
--
Frank McCallister SBS MVP
COMPUMAC
"GTP" <GTP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E91F364-B495-4D14-97C0-BB584602F499@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since
then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached to
the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway,
dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer systems.
The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg
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tryschon
Joined: 04 May 2006
Posts: 2
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Thu May 04, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject:
Re: SBS to switch on network, can't see internet on wired sy |
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Question: I missed the reason why Greg changed from a wireless router to a switch + WAP (he referenced previous advice received here). Isn't a wireless router (like the Netgear WGR 614 that I am using in a similar configuration) really just a 4 port switch plus AP?
tim
| GTP wrote: | This is from a pervious post regarding SBS to a wireless router. Since then I
have changed the configuration. I still have my external nic attached to the
broadband modem with the correct ISP settings and I can connect to the
internet from the server.
I replaced the wireless router thanks to the advice given to me on this
board with a switch. I then purchased a WAP.
This is the scenario now. What do I use as the IP, Subnet, def gateway, dns,
and maybe wins for the internal nic settings. Do I still need to point to
anything in the DNS on my external nic?
I cannot connect to the interneat from any of my wired computer systems. The
WAP looks pretty straigt forward so once I get the wired systems to work,
I'll worry about the wireless.
Sorry to be such a pain. I would have responed to the previous threads but
the reply button was not launching a respond window for some reasons.
Thanks,
Greg |
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Ryschon Health and Technology Services |
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