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Project Sega
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject:
Quick question on licencing ... |
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Hello,
One of our clients would like to set up departmental servers in
addition to the Small Business Server 2003 that they have. This is for
reduncacy so that in case of the main SBS server goes down for any
reason, produciton and productivity isnt 100% affected.
They already have a 2003 SBS server and a Win2000 server which is
being used as a terminal server. They would like an additional 2003
server for the design dept and also one for the manufacturing dept.
They have 35 users in total and would ideally like all users to access
data on different servers.
What I need to buy right now is 2x Windows 2003 server. My question
is, am I covered by any of the existing cals. Also, do I need to buy
an extra 30 CALS for *each* new server.
Many thanks,
Jon |
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Henry Craven
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:56 am Post subject:
Re: Quick question on licencing ... |
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To answer your licensing question, Client access to Member Servers is
covered by the SBS CALs. The Member Servers themselves will consume an
SBS CAL each in authenticating to the SBS Domain Controller.
However, your setup as I understand it will not provide failover
redundancy in the event of the SBServer going down.
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Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
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| Quote: | Hello,
One of our clients would like to set up departmental servers in
addition to the Small Business Server 2003 that they have. This is for
reduncacy so that in case of the main SBS server goes down for any
reason, produciton and productivity isnt 100% affected.
They already have a 2003 SBS server and a Win2000 server which is
being used as a terminal server. They would like an additional 2003
server for the design dept and also one for the manufacturing dept.
They have 35 users in total and would ideally like all users to access
data on different servers.
What I need to buy right now is 2x Windows 2003 server. My question
is, am I covered by any of the existing cals. Also, do I need to buy
an extra 30 CALS for *each* new server.
Many thanks,
Jon |
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Project Sega
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:04 am Post subject:
Re: Quick question on licencing ... |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:56:39 +1100, "Henry Craven" <IUnknown@Dot.Nyet>
wrote:
Thanks for the reply Henry,
| Quote: | To answer your licensing question, Client access to Member Servers is
covered by the SBS CALs. The Member Servers themselves will consume an
SBS CAL each in authenticating to the SBS Domain Controller.
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So in the previously mentioned setup, I just need to purchase 2 x 5
user Windows 2003 server and it can use the CALs from the SBS server
installation to verify I'm licensed correctly? Even if the SBS is
down?
| Quote: | However, your setup as I understand it will not provide failover
redundancy in the event of the SBServer going down.
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What we are trying to do it spread the apps around over different
servers. For example ..
SBS Server (existing) hosts Email, Internet & general file sharing
Server 2 (new) does file sharing only for design dept
Server 3 (new) does file sharing only for factory
Terminal Server (existing) supports remote sales staff and directors
and provides file sharing for accounts dept (Sage).
If the factory cannot access the file server, their machinery cannot
process work. If the design dept cannot access the server, it cannot
spool jobs up for the factory. If the factory cannot process, a lot of
worked get sent home but are still paid!
My understanding is that Active Directory could be replicated to the 2
new servers providing login redundancy in a similar way to the old NT
PDC/BDC arrangement. Am I correct in this?
What we are trying to achieve is that if any one server goes down, it
only inconveniences a single department rather than the whole
organization.
Rgrds,
Jon |
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MTBoxTech
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Quick question on licencing ... |
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If you are going to go to the trouble of having multiple servers, why not
setup the files shares using Dfs (distributed file system). Google on
Microsoft Dfs, or check the Microsoft site. It's a pretty slick setup that
will allow all file shares to be available (due to file replication) when
using multiple servers.
-TK
M/T Box Computers
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| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:56:39 +1100, "Henry Craven" <IUnknown@Dot.Nyet
wrote:
Thanks for the reply Henry,
To answer your licensing question, Client access to Member Servers is
covered by the SBS CALs. The Member Servers themselves will consume an
SBS CAL each in authenticating to the SBS Domain Controller.
So in the previously mentioned setup, I just need to purchase 2 x 5
user Windows 2003 server and it can use the CALs from the SBS server
installation to verify I'm licensed correctly? Even if the SBS is
down?
However, your setup as I understand it will not provide failover
redundancy in the event of the SBServer going down.
What we are trying to do it spread the apps around over different
servers. For example ..
SBS Server (existing) hosts Email, Internet & general file sharing
Server 2 (new) does file sharing only for design dept
Server 3 (new) does file sharing only for factory
Terminal Server (existing) supports remote sales staff and directors
and provides file sharing for accounts dept (Sage).
If the factory cannot access the file server, their machinery cannot
process work. If the design dept cannot access the server, it cannot
spool jobs up for the factory. If the factory cannot process, a lot of
worked get sent home but are still paid!
My understanding is that Active Directory could be replicated to the 2
new servers providing login redundancy in a similar way to the old NT
PDC/BDC arrangement. Am I correct in this?
What we are trying to achieve is that if any one server goes down, it
only inconveniences a single department rather than the whole
organization.
Rgrds,
Jon
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Henry Craven
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject:
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Inline Jon ....
"Project Sega" <usenet@TAKEMEOUTjon-lamb.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:56:39 +1100, "Henry Craven" <IUnknown@Dot.Nyet
wrote:
Thanks for the reply Henry,
To answer your licensing question, Client access to Member Servers is
covered by the SBS CALs. The Member Servers themselves will consume an
SBS CAL each in authenticating to the SBS Domain Controller.
So in the previously mentioned setup, I just need to purchase 2 x 5
user Windows 2003 server and it can use the CALs from the SBS server
installation to verify I'm licensed correctly? Even if the SBS is
down?
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You won't need -any- Windows Server access CALs at all.
( If the SBServer is down you're still covered. - When setting up
the Member Servers / Replica Domain Controlers you add the
number of CALs you are licensed for on the SBServer )
| Quote: | However, your setup as I understand it will not provide failover
redundancy in the event of the SBServer going down.
What we are trying to do it spread the apps around over different
servers. For example ..
SBS Server (existing) hosts Email, Internet & general file sharing
Server 2 (new) does file sharing only for design dept
Server 3 (new) does file sharing only for factory
Terminal Server (existing) supports remote sales staff and directors
and provides file sharing for accounts dept (Sage).
If the factory cannot access the file server, their machinery cannot
process work. If the design dept cannot access the server, it cannot
spool jobs up for the factory. If the factory cannot process, a lot of
worked get sent home but are still paid!
My understanding is that Active Directory could be replicated to the 2
new servers providing login redundancy in a similar way to the old NT
PDC/BDC arrangement. Am I correct in this?
What we are trying to achieve is that if any one server goes down, it
only inconveniences a single department rather than the whole
organization.
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I Understand.
The Replica Domain Controller(s) should provide access to the files,
however you have bigger isssues. Your Internet, e'Mail, and Terminal
Services are all down too.
I believe it would be better ( and Cheaper ) to set-up a Cold Server
Clone
( you get Cold Server rights with Software Assurance on SBS )
A Quick Swap out of HDDs and reconnection of Flyleads would have you
up and running in no time. ( Also look at a redundant Switch )
Hot Swap Raid Arrays, Hot Swap Power on a Quality Server Level
Server
adds reliability and Redundancy there. ( have a few spare NICs and
Leads )
Full Nightly Backup adds recoverability.
It's a big topic and lots has been said on it if you want to google
the keywords
in Google Groups
HTH
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Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia |
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